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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:45 AM
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I find Jackson's comments offensive.
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 01:46 AM by Drunken Irishman
And would be offended had anyone else said them. This argument that we should ignore those comments because they weren't meant for the public is absurd. Cheney was off the record when he told Pat Leahy to fuck off, but it didn't make it any less appalling. The fact Jackson even contemplated saying what he said concerns me, because it isn't as if it was a sly or subtle remark. It was vulgar and offers a true glimpse into what Jackson really thinks of Sen. Obama.


You can spin it all you want, but his comment was out of line, especially when it's coming from a supposed supporter.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:48 AM
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1. He took it personally, and maybe he should.
It screams "guilt complex" to me.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:07 AM
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23. Obama's comments were offensive. It was talking down to black people - currying favor with whites.
Yuck.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:47 AM
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25. BULL. There was nothing offensive about what Obama said.
Obama wasn't talking down to us and I haven't heard any black person except Jesse Jackson say that.

Your continued faux outrages are getting boring. We already know you can't stand Obama.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:05 AM
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28. EXACTLY!! He wasn't 'talking down' to us!
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:49 AM
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43. Have you asked any black people about this?
I've heard a few who were offended. They will probably still vote for him, if they do vote, but they were taken aback.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:04 AM
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27. What? You don't speak for black people and neither do I. But, when
Cosby made his remarks, which were a lot more harsh than Obama's, most blacks DID agree with him. Why is Obama any different? I haven't heard any castigation from blacks so far (myself included) that actually disagreed with what he or Cosby had to say.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:45 AM
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36. I especially took issue with multimillionare Cosby, who fathered his own out of wedlock child.
Yes, people need to take responsibility for their actions, but they are often victims of circumstances they have no control over (neglected schools, lack of jobs and housing, gargantuan drug penalties, etc.).

There are bigger, more responsible targets for Obama and Cosby to take aim at.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:55 AM
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59. Obama HAS been discussing those other issues.
He has been doing his entire life. This speech was specifically targeted at fathers because it was Father's Day. While Cosby has mentioned these other issues from time to time, his remarks were much harsher in tone. That's the issue I and a lot of black people had with him, even though may have agreed with the substance of what he was saying. And because he's a hypocrite, many people were put off by his harsh rhetoric.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:13 AM
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62. Didn't Jackson father a child, too?
Perhaps this is why he attacked Obama?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:31 PM
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68. Cosby does not have any out of wedlock children
Jackson is the one one who fathered a child with an assistant--a daughter whom he reportedly does not see or support, according to the mother Karin Stanford.
Cosby may have had affairs, but unlike Jackson he is not a deadbeat dad.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:26 AM
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39. you can't help yourself can you? why are you here, just to piss in the punch bowl?
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:51 AM
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44. So untrue and so off the mark
If you've read Obama's books or listened to his speeches you will find that he has repeatedly said this. He is not the only person that has said this. It's amazing that some people think this is sa taboo subject in the Black community.

What makes Jackson's statement so wrong is that he has said the same thing. He has made speeches regarding fatherhood and personal responsibility for many years in front of many diverse audiences.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:40 AM
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51. Oh my...get out the rolled-up sleeved blazer and the brick wall backdrop...
...It's comedy time.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:55 AM
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58. Jackson's comments curries favor with whites by using lynching language
Castration often accompanied lynching for the black man who was considered too "uppity" by the establishment.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:14 PM
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67. you can't be serious
NOBODY thinks that.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 01:50 AM
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2. The "sincerity" of Jackson's comments make it all that much more positive for Obama


And Obama's gracious accepting of his apology helps even more.


"Jesse made that comment and Barack forgives him? Damn.... he's a better man than me."


Obama was helped immensely by Jesse.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:11 AM
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3. so what exactly did jackson say?
the most i get from the online reports is something about obama "talking down" to people of color now.

is that it? was that all? what is all of the fuss about?

i love the msm. they report on something they tell me is offensive, but they will never tell me exactly what was said so i can make up my own mind about how offensive the statement might be.

if you don't know, that's ok. i've looked around and i don't know either.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:20 AM
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9. No, he said he wanted to cut Obama's balls off.
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 02:20 AM by Drunken Irishman
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:26 AM
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15. ok. thanks. i did find a video just after i asked the question. thanks. n/t.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:11 AM
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4. You may find this offensive then...
Jackson said he was going to cut his nuts off! The old man was pissed off and said something he couldn't back up, and ends up getting slapped down by his own kid! It is the classic event, and Jesse realized it is time to hand the baton over to the next generation.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:17 AM
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24. Yep. We are moving on without him.....
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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:16 AM
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49. And he said it on Fox News!!!
How stupid is this guy? Why does he talk like this off camera? After an interview on Fox? Is he nuts? When he speaks on camera, he acts like the church lady. Then, off-camera, it's "hymietown" and "cut off his nuts." Can you say, two-faced?

Didn't Jackson also have a "love child" who he kept hidden until the right wingers outed him when he announced a march for black voting rights in Florida after the 2000 election?

As for helping Obama, I believe it was his son, Jesse Jackson, Jr., who was an early and strong supporter. Jesse, Sr., not so much.

I think what we have here is a sad case of professional jealousy.
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:14 AM
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5. Jesse Jackson
believes that having
kids out of wedlock
is not a real problem.

After all, he did it.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:18 AM
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8. At least Bill Cosby recognizes it for the problem it is
:eyes:
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:23 AM
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13. In terms of pure economics, single parenthood is certainly a problem.
Other than that, I don't presume to pass judgment on others' lives. And I hate the way the (supposedly frightening) specter of "masses of bastard children" is used to scapegoat entire races and classes of people.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:43 AM
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20. The Holy Ghost did the same thing
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 04:43 AM by JoFerret
Or something or other like that. Never went to the altar or city hall before the sexual assault so far as I know.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:19 AM
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34. Oh, yes! I had forgotten all about that. He did have a child out of wedlock...
and do did Cosby. The problem with Cosby is that he himself is a hypocrite and was very damning of the black community. He gave every bigot permission to be racist. White people love Cosby because he's "America's Dad!"
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:26 AM
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40. I may get into trouble for this
but I read both Cosby's and Senator Obama's remarks differently. It was more than having children out of wedlock. It was stop having children you cannot afford to raise (which covers ALL races and religions). And if you can't afford the kids, keep your pants zipped (this goes for the women as well).
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:52 AM
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57. You're right. I think it was different. The tone was different. Cosby's tone was
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 10:53 AM by Liberal_Stalwart71
more condemning, scolding like a father, which is fine. Obama didn't come across as acerbic in his remarks but they did have some bite. Obama was speaker to a broader segment of the community, too. It was a "black" speech. He was speaking about ALL fathers who abandon their children but pointed out that the problem has become an epidemic in the black community in particular.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:16 AM
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6. I thought his comments were funny.
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 02:16 AM by woolldog
The guy is frustrated with some of Obama's positions but isn't publicly going to disagree with him. He got caught with a live mike and so it came out that he's pissed about one of Obama's positions. I think that's perfectly natural. No one is going to agree with their candidate 100% of the time.

JJ has spent his life working on behalf of the AA community. I think he likes Obama and really wants to see him win.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:17 AM
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7. Jesse's son slapped him down today, though....

That's got to be hard.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:21 AM
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11. I know. I feel bad for JJ (sr).
He clearly wants Obama to win; it would be the fruition of everything JJ has worked for since the 60s, including his 2 failed presidential campaigns that paved the way for Obama.

I'm happy Obama accepted his apology and didn't throw him under the bus.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:47 AM
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42. You keep saying in post after post that Jesse wants Obama to win.
Saying he'd like to "cut his nuts off" is an awfully strange way to support him.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:44 AM
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21. I'll take the father over the son
any day.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:21 AM
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12. I respect Jesse Jackson, however, it does not make his comments less offensive.
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 02:22 AM by Drunken Irishman
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:24 AM
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14. He was clearly speaking figuratively and out of frustration...
I guess I sympathize because I've been known to say a vulgar thing or two. :blush:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:26 AM
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16. But you're not Jesse Jackson.
This isn't the first time Jackson has been "caught" saying something stupid. You'd think he would at least make sure his mic was off.

I mean, what if it were someone on the right saying it? Just because he's Jesse Jackson does not make his comments easier to accept. He fucked up, we'll move on, but right now he looks pretty bad.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:28 AM
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17. I thought the reaction of the guy he was speaking to was
interesting. The guy seemed shocked that Jackson was saying that. Do you know who he was?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:15 AM
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18. I don't, but yes, he did look surprised.
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 03:17 AM by Drunken Irishman
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 02:20 AM
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10. Seriously, I feel sorry for him
He had to take the humiliation in a very very public way.

Fox will play this for days which will make it worse, he apologized and Obama accepted it, we should all let it go.
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 04:42 AM
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19. I think Jackson's still upset about being castrated by his wife after the affair. /nt
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 06:01 AM
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22. I've been wondering if this incident was a set up between Obama and JJ
To make Obama less scary to those white voters who think Jackson is a scary black man. Maybe if they think Obama pisses off Jesse Jackson, they'll think he can't be all bad.

The reason I'm thinking this way is that it all happened very quickly. Jackson apologized before most people even knew his original comments even happened.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:09 AM
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31. You get it.............. This a Sister Souljah moment
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:02 AM
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26. I remember that it took some time for Jesse to warm up to Obama
He didn't support him in the beginning. It was JJJr. who urged his father to come onboard. Jesse has always had a good relationship with the Clintons for a very long time. I think he really wanted to support Hillary.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:07 AM
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29. Jackson's dick is well known in the African American Church-world
I wouldn't trip out over ANY thing he has to say.

For myself, his humanity is one of the reasons I like him. He's no saint.

Rev. Al too. That guy represents ME, out there... and few do. I know Al would come into my house, have coffee with me... talk to me like a person. He'd come to MY neighborhood and be right at home.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:08 AM
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30.  Sister souljah moment ..........Thank you Jesse Jackson
I'm happy JJ said it on a "hot mic"
This will help BHO big time with white Moderates

This is a good news cycle
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:14 AM
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33. I agree that this helps Obama. n/t
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:14 AM
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32. IF Jackson had said it to a live microphone, speaking to an audience, I'd fully support him.
Saying it "under his breath" left me flat, and as a man, kind of cringing..just a little.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:21 AM
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35. they were offensive, racially insensitive and crude
he kind of hit the trifecta of stupid and ignorant with those comments.

:shrug:
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FredfromSpace Donating Member (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 07:59 AM
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37. His mistake was being recorded
We all have our private, "back stage" opinions of the people we have to work with.

We might hate them one day and love them the next.

We resent and admire them at the same time.

He just got caught expressing his real feelings at that moment.

Could happen to anyone.

Just proves he is a human like everyone else.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:07 AM
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38. Agreed and I'm glad he apologized. Maybe Obama's comments struck a nerve
with Jackson... as his own backyard isn't exactly clean. There is no comparison between what Obama has said and what Cosby said, IMO.

Cosby had an assholish type vibe to his comments, whereas, Obama's comments are being twisted out of context to sound more extreme
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:39 AM
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41. Jackson's comment was ....... IRRELEVANT
This whole thing is MAN YOO FAC TURD OUT RAGE
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:16 AM
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50. Manufactured for sure, but that won't stop Republicans from pointing out
that Obama has "lost the support of the African American community" or some other nonsense. It's just more bullshit the Dems don't need.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:56 AM
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53. Why is this a bad thing?
It's not true, so let them think that. IMO it only helps Obama.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:58 AM
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exactly. If they want to push this they will look like idiots in the end.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:53 AM
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45. And why don't these guys (politicians, public figures)
realize that the MIC CAN ALWAYS BE ON!!! No guarantee that it's off. Yet they can't restrain themselves.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 08:56 AM
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46. I think it points out the difference between their backgrounds
I agree that it is a "true glimpse into what Jackson really thinks of Sen. Obama. "

He obviously has felt/thought this way, and maybe spoke that way for awhile.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:10 AM
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47. Who needs Republicans? Dems just shoot themselves in the foot.
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 09:25 AM by grace0418
Thanks Jesse, pundits far and wide are going to be saying "Not even blacks like Obama. Jesse said so!"
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:15 AM
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48. So very true
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:42 AM
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52. K&R
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 09:57 AM
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54. Jesse Jackson is part of the past. Obama's message is resonating with everyone
but those who still have their minds and hearts in the past.
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stimbox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:11 AM
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61. Without Jesse Jackson and his generation of Civil Rights activists there would be no Obama.
I guess Obama supporters forget that in their outrage.

Jackson shouldn't have apologized, imho.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:39 PM
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65. oh realllllly? for saying he wanted to rip the next presidents nuts off?
interesting....
why are you here again?
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:44 AM
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55. I've never heard
the phrase used with the word, 'out.' I thought it was, 'off.'
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:46 AM
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56. But you feel better starting a new thread about it rather than joining an old one.
Those FOUR OTHER THREADS that criticize Jackson for criticizing Obama just don't showcase your objections well enough eh?
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 10:58 AM
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60. What was even more funny ...
Edited on Thu Jul-10-08 11:00 AM by elkston
is that after he said "Cut his nuts off", you can see this flinching movement in his face. Its like he is making a scissor-like gesture with his fingers out of view of the camera.

Watch the video again ... LOL. Its kind of surreal actually.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:24 AM
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63. Jesse Jackson is jealous as hell. And BITTER!!!!! Period.
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sam kane Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 11:45 AM
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64. The Fox News audience CAN'T STAND Jackson! BRILLIANT Political theater!
This is really impressive manipulation of "independent" and right wing voters, plus the MSM.

Do you all really think that Jesse Jackson would honestly talk about castrating another black man at a Fox News station?

My Republican father, who now regularly makes phone calls for Obama, always uses Jackson as an example of how "different"
Obama is, e.g. "he's not Jesse Jackson."

This will "play" well for Obama, draw the line between him and Jackson. I believe that Jackson took a hit for Obama here.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-08 03:43 PM
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66. Jackson apologized, good enough for me.
I don't dislike Jesse Jackson. His contributions for civil rights should be applauded. He just needs to step aside at the moment.
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