The FUCKING Bill Would Have Passed REGARDLESS of how Obama Voted

I guess some of you are too crazy deranged to SEE that. Even if Obama voted NAY, it would have still passed by a WIDE margin. Because the PARTY failed, and there's nothing Obama could have done to change that. We were going to lose our rights today any way Obama went, so some of you need to get the fuck over it and make sure we don't elect ANOTHER rethuglican into office. But I'm sure some of you will be too bitter to donate and work. Because we ALL know it's Obama's fault the shit was passed today :sarcasm:

Some of you need to get the hell over yourselves and off your high horses, and wake up to reality. I hate that the bill was passed just like everyone else, but I also know there's nothing I could have done to prevent that. Even a filibuster wouldn't have worked...we were FUCKED from start!

and he may give him the election.
And I know that the whinners won't
like that, because they might
be able to get their rights back,
and that would never do.

hehe

and the rights that we didn't have
before the vote,
were not going to be restored,
even if the bill would have failed.

just maybe.

will bat aside mentions of the Dodd Amendment by declaring that it failed (by similar margins) and thus does not count.

people love to complain afterwards. but rarely do they do anything to try to get support for these things from regular people and to put pressure on the members to vote a certain way. but this shouldn't just happen as each bill comes up.

but it's easier to just complain and act like a martyr and cry about fascism and rights being taken away and whatever else.

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But please do start on the personal attacks. That's one of the reasons I post on this board and hardly anywhere else.

He discussed his vote ahead of time
starting on June 20th.
If you hadn't "braced" yourself
or didn't understand that
your rights were gone
long before Obama got into the senate,
than you only conned yourself.

How does it feel to have self hosed yourself
into thinking that
when Obama stated clearly that
he would work to get immunity out
but would still vote for the compromise bill,
that he was just kidding.

because it throws cold water on the very fires that carried him to become the presumptive nominee,
you know, the whole "change we can believe in" mantra..

I could imagine a whole other scenario, where Obama took the reigns in the Senate, winning over Reid
to go to the mat with him, using some of his legendary oratory skills on the floor to embarrass every
last Democrat in the Senate to vote against the FISA bill.

Any way you slice it, Obama's not "just another vote" in the Senate, he looms as the likely next freaking
President of the United States; yet he's chosen (for whatever reason) to play this out differently.

Perhaps Reid was already a lost cause and could not be counted on, which could then backfire on Obama.
Perhaps lots of things ... we just don't really know the full story yet.

I'm still fully supporting Obama. It will take a lot more than this one vote on one issue (albeit an
important one) to detour me from electing Obama in Nov.

I hate it when he does that....it just blows my "GUESS WHO'S BEHIND I'M COVERING MATCH GAME" (McCain Version 2.0) all to hell. :grr:

I mean, if it's more a matter of whether the vote will pass than whether a vote is morally right, nobody at DU has any right to criticize HRC on her IWR or Patriot Act votes.

Right?

There's more than one high horse around these parts.

As Gail Collins said in her column this morning, Barack Obama is an "extremely intelligent politician."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/opinion/10collins.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Think about it.

I truly believe that if Obama weren't running for President, he would have voted against it.

it's attitudes like yours that have made politics what it is today.

That it really did not matter?
I don't think so.
She paid a heavy price for that vote.
Our representatives are accountable regardless of the final count.

and if we had magically gotten a bill we like, it would have been vetoed anyway.

The Democratic-led Congress this afternoon voted to put an end to the NSA spying scandal, as the Senate approved a bill -- approved last week by the House -- to immunize lawbreaking telecoms, terminate all pending lawsuits against them, and vest whole new warrantless eavesdropping powers in the President. The vote in favor of the new FISA bill was 69-28. Barack Obama joined every Senate Republican (and every House Republican other than one) by voting in favor of it, while his now-vanquished primary rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, voted against it. John McCain wasn't present for any of the votes, but shared Obama's support for the bill. The bill will now be sent to an extremely happy George Bush, who already announced that he enthusiastically supports it, and he will sign it into law very shortly.

:hi:

it's always a pleasure to see you :hi:

And the constitutionality of the bill will be sorted out by the courts.

Count me as not being a member of "the sky is falling" crowd.

And continue to shred it. Makes one believe that Nader's "not a dime's worth of difference" is true.
Yes, it would have made no difference in the outcome if Obama had voted no. But such a vote would have signaled on thing, that the man was ready to uphold and defend the Constitution, just as he swore an oath to do. Instead, his vote signals that he is willing to trample all over his sworn oath and the Constitution, all for political gain. That really doesn't bode well for the future.

Regardless of the final outcome.

Same for every other Senator that voted for it.

I fear we will have to hear from this kind of apologist argument quite a bit.

Obama say he will (blank) and we all cheered him, because (blank) is very important.

Obama reverses his earlier position, but it's no biggie because, (blank) doesn't really matter.

So, whatever Obama does, it doesn't matter. Whatever he says, it doesn't matter.

This isn't a valid political argument, its a overpowering man-crush that contradicts itself whenever challenged!

By this logic, no political action is subject to critique. And no political statement means anything. There is only fanatical partisanship.

The only difference between this argument and the arguments used by the republicans when we criticize the president in wartime, or bring up his lies is...oh...wait...there is no difference.

By the way, you are calling concerned citizens crazy and deranged.

How is that different from Bill O.?

Why is that an outrage when he does it, but not when you do it?

How FUCKING radical we are here.

I wonder what a jury would think if a rapist testified his participation in a gang rape doesn't matter since the rape victim was being raped anyway. See how ridiculous that sounds?

He Fucking voted to rape a portion of our Bill of Rights. That brings up serious and legitimate concerns. You and others on the other hand are sounding like the Repubs did after the Chimp in the White House suspended habeas corpus. Its like our country suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

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