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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:38 AM Original message |
Obama votes no on FISA, FISA passes anyway. |
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crankychatter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. I think Obama AND Clinton cast symbolic votes - NT |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #1 |
12. "Symbolic" means "Loser." I have no respect for symbolic leaders. |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
2. ........sigh |
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Saturday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. What does that gain us? How about respect and leadership. nt |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Yes he would get our respect. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. You are right about the politics of this, and I agree with you. But it is a GOOD thing |
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FredfromSpace (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
5. Obama voted YES on FISA |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Perhaps I wasn't clear. |
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FredfromSpace (117 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Where is the proof that his campaign would have been damaged? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I am quite sure that had he voted NO |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. I am quite sure the McCain campaign and the corporate media |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. True, all that's left to them now is the FISA "Flip-Flop" meme |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
6. By voting no on FISA Obama would at least be signaling that he is willing to defend the Constitution |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Well it is not all that certain. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. He already did. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 07:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. He said he would support a filibuster of FISA. He didn't. n/t |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. He said that of an earlier version of the bill... |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Holy cow , you must be dizzy |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. There was no filibuster. Kinda hard for him to support one. nt |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. For whatever reason, it appears that only Republicans |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. That I completely agree with. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. Especially when he voted against one!! n/t |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. It would have shown that Obama supports and protects the Constitution. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. Great. And suppose in doing that he loses the election? |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. During the primaries |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. He's explained so that we have something better no controls (as well as election protection) |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I'm sorry. |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
9. Keep spinning it all you want to |
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Youphemism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Keep whining all you want to... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. LOL |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
19. It shows he has the guts to take a stand |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
26. you can't blame "congressional leadership" without blaming Obama too |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. and you think that wasn't considered? |
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Roxy66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
28. I think Obama is way ahead of all of us on stategy.....he knows what he is doing. |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I agree. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
31. It gains us confidence that we can count on him to |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I count on him to win, and review all the abusive legislation as he's promised. Hear Bush today... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I can't join you on the promises part. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
32. it is extremely disconcerting |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
36. Well I guess Hillary should've voted for the IWR, since |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Uh no - Hillary was not the presidential nominee |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Grin & bear it. nt |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. Ok I agree the YES vote sucked. So what now? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
41. Let's make sure he doesn't give away the rest of the store |
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