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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:09 AM
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John McCain's Candidacy for Presidency should have ended today

Three Economic Gaffes in three days should be enough



Certain liberties are acceptable in politics and national campaigns but striking out on three successive pitches on basic policy issues as the McCain campaign has should have launched the entire MSM into a hospital vigil as the McCain campaign should now be in intensive care on massive life support.

Unfortunately Rev Jackson seemed to be channeling George Carlin and the cable news shows found themselves having great fun titilating over the word "nuts", except it might have been "dick".

Here are the three strikes that the McCain camp underwent in rapid succession:



Strike One

McCain calls the concept of Social Security "an absolute disgrace"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugN8Rn5baqM

John Marshall at Slate documents how McCain's campaign continued to attack, not the current state of Social Security but the initial design, where present day workers contribute and part of that contribution is used for present day retirees.

1) That's how the system was designed to operate. And it's served as financial bedrock of retirement security in this country for going on a century. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/203287.php

2)In other words, there's no question that John McCain thinks that the problem with Social Security is the way it was designed at the very beginning, the way it was always designed to work. Sometimes he just uses more flowery language than others. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/203377.php

3) Now, as Mr. McCain might, let's have some straight talk. What McCain believes is no different from what President Bush and others did and do believe when they wanted to phase out Social Security and replace it with a system of private investment accounts. He's just been a bit clumsier about hiding what he's pushing for. The debate about Social Security is the same as it was in 2005 and in most respects the same as it was in 1965. You have one group who believe in the current system -- which is an intergenerational bargain, insuring a baseline level of retirement security as well as insurance against premature, disability and for dependent children. The other side -- McCain's side -- thinks this is just wrong, morally and economically. And in its place they want to create a system of individual private investment accounts -- similar to a lifetime 401k.

That's the essence of the debate. And no one should be deceived by McCain's own efforts to twist and spin his own words retrospectively. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/203491.php

This alone should have ended McCain's campaign - on to strike two





Strike Two

McCain's claim that he will end the Iraqi war by 2013 and that he will balance the budget with it is just laughable

This is really a two-fer - his claim that he intends that he will end the war and that will balance the budget


http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/

John McCain’s plan to balance the budget by 2013 may have just taken the prize for Most Ridicule Sustained in a 24-Hour Period. (Before that, McCain's and Clinton’s gas-tax holiday proposals held the title.) The biggest gripe: It’s hard to see how McCain would sustain the Bush tax cuts, which the CBO estimates would create a $443 billion deficit by 2013, and still find room for his estimated $300 billion in additional tax proposals while also eliminating the deficit.

The McCain campaign promises to reach the Big Zero through a combination of economic growth, controlled spending, and bipartisan budget efforts. But they don’t provide any numbers to show how much the economy must grow, how much spending they’d rein in, or what areas they’d trim. (Read his whole plan here.) Then there’s this:

The McCain administration would reserve all savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan operations in the fight against Islamic extremists for reducing the deficit. Since all their costs were financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction.

This statement is … problematic. For one thing, reducing deficit spending doesn’t free up money. It’s just means we don’t create money. So while it may reduce the deficit, it does nothing to reduce the overall debt and balance the budget.

But there’s another problem: Pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan will cost money before it saves money. The Congressional Budget Office estimated last year that reducing troops levels to 75,000 by 2013 would cost an additional $205 billion (that is, in addition to current spending levels) between 2008 and 2013. Only after that would the United States start saving—or, rather, not spending cash we don’t have. A faster drawdown to 30,000 troops by 2010 would reduce the deficit over the same period, but only by $70 billion. (Read the CBO estimate here; details here.) The CBO will have a new estimate in September.

So even if McCain was able to achieve his definition of victory in Iraq as laid out in his “Four Year Vision” speech in May—“The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role”—it wouldn’t likely save money until later. And it would certainly play little to no role in balancing the budget by 2013.








Strike Three

McCain's Number one economic surrogate states that American Whiners are imagining Recession


First how much does McCain trust Phil Gramm on economics?



At a recent meeting with the Wall Street Journal editorial board, Republican presidential candidate John McCain admitted he "doesn't really understand economics" and then pointed to his adviser and former Senate colleague, Phil Gramm - whom he had brought with him to the meeting - as the expert he turns to on the subject, The Huffington Post has learned. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/21/short-on-economic-underst_n_82529.html

After joining the campaign, Gramm has remained by the candidate's side to "vouch for Mr. McCain's fiscal and security bona fides, " according to the Dallas Morning News. Even prior to McCain's flop, Gramm was advocating on his behalf, writing a flattering February 2007 oped in the Wall Street Journal on his behalf.

And to whom did McCain tell Moore he turns to for advise? "His foremost economic guru," wrote the columnist, "is former Texas Sen. Phil Gramm (who would almost certainly be Treasury secretary in a McCain administration)."






Now Today McCain acts like he doesn't even know the man while Gramm continues to stand by his statement that this is a "nation of whiners . .(suffering) a mental recession"



http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/


McCain economic adviser Phil Gramm did his candidate no favors Wednesday when he told the Washington Times that the current economic downturn is a "mental recession." "We have sort of become a nation of whiners," Gramm said. "You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline."



Off-message much?

McCain repudiated Gramm’s comments: "Phil Gramm does not speak for me. I speak for me, so I strongly disagree." Obama, meanwhile, mocked him.


But Gramm refused to play the gaffe game. "I'm not going to retract any of it,” he told the Washington Post. "Every word I said was true." He explained that although "the economy is bad," it doesn’t qualify as a "recession." And that other part? "When I said we've become a nation of whiners, I'm talking about our leaders. I'm not talking about our people."


The funny part is, recession or not, Gramm and his investors have felt the pain as much as anyone. Just look at the stock of UBS, where Gramm serves as vice chairman. It’s dropped by 70 percent over the last year. (See Daniel Gross' recent Slate piece to find out why.)








After subjecting the country to 8 years of continuous gaffes can the country even contemplate a gaffe a day leader that cannot run a national campaign?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:13 AM
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1. Rec'd and no joke. The man, McCain, is scary. nt
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 10:51 AM
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28. unfit for the presidency
incompetent and doesn't show up in the Senate.
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jlacivita Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 07:10 PM
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60. whats scary is that people would vote for him n/t
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:14 AM
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2. What can we do about this?
I want to do something.
I'm tired of everyone
going after our candidate,
while their candidate slides by.

This is sick.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:41 AM
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8. Call in to talk shows. Millions will hear you.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:07 AM
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72. People speak the truth no matter the candidate then the candidate will speak for the people.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:14 AM
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3. ITS ALL OVER BUT THE SHOUTIN........the man is TOAST...Ashes even
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:17 AM
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4. unfortunately he could still be President


Despite the bungling there is only a 6 point difference in the polls.

We all know that there will be atleast one October Surprise.

There will be slurs and attacks on Obama by means of association.

It is too early now but after the convention the fear machine will be in full operation.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:42 AM
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9. It's not about popular vote.
Obama could win the popular vote by 5 points and kill McCain in the electoral college.

You rarely see a candidate blown out in the popular vote.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:09 AM
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73. Fear mongering again. No chance,not after this repub disaster. No repeats.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:03 AM
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13. In a truer version of reality
Being anywhere near Bush or his policies should have been debilitating. Just being Republican would put you in danger of a default landslide against you.

Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran would have put a considerable dent in his chances. Almost done.

The off the chart flip/flopping, would have created a firestorm of doubt.

Not knowing anything about the economy would raise some eyebrows.

A 100 years in Iraq, even out of context would have been a substantial uppercut.

A whole slew of pandered to bat shit crazy preachers would at least take the opponent's church off the table.

Graham's comments should send him into the 30's percentage wise.

Carly's utter lies about his record on mandating coverage of birth control combined with McSame's stammering, evasion, saying he hadn't really thought about it, saying that he had to refer to his record and get back on that, and of course the look on his face...freaking priceless; would run off every woman that owns a pair of shoes and doesn't keep maternity wear in the regular rotation. Most guys would at least demand the removal of the Straight Talk Express crap before they'd consider stopping the laughing.


I didn't know you could fit your entire person into a cookie jar.

Amongst many other reasons he should be done. McSame's campaign is awful, probably the worst I've ever seen at this level.

Obama is by no means running a bad race, little missteps here and there but nothing crippling. There should be a mighty spread. I think we can get that still if people would pay attention to reality.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:09 AM
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15. you can say that again
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:18 AM
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17. Be careful what you wish for n/t
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:05 AM
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14. In a truer version of reality
Being anywhere near Bush or his policies should have been debilitating. Just being Republican would put you in danger of a default landslide against you.

Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran would have put a considerable dent in his chances. Almost done.

The off the chart flip/flopping, would have created a firestorm of doubt.

Not knowing anything about the economy would raise some eyebrows.

A 100 years in Iraq, even out of context would have been a substantial uppercut.

A whole slew of pandered to bat shit crazy preachers would at least take the opponent's church off the table.

Graham's comments should send him into the 30's percentage wise.

Carly's utter lies about his record on mandating coverage of birth control combined with McSame's stammering, evasion, saying he hadn't really thought about it, saying that he had to refer to his record and get back on that, and of course the look on his face...freaking priceless; would run off every woman that owns a pair of shoes and doesn't keep maternity wear in the regular rotation. Most guys would at least demand the removal of the Straight Talk Express crap before they'd consider stopping the laughing.


I didn't know you could fit your entire person into a cookie jar.

Amongst many other reasons he should be done. McSame's campaign is awful, probably the worst I've ever seen at this level.

Obama is by no means running a bad race, little missteps here and there but nothing crippling. There should be a mighty spread. I think we can get that still if people would pay attention to reality.


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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 10:14 AM
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26. McNemic continues his blunders....its not over yet.....I have never seen such a weak candidate reach
this Level cept for W
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:43 PM
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41. That is because the repukes are out of gas.
They didn't bring real leaders and statesmen into the party over the last 30 years. They brought in white trash, con artists, yes men and women, crazies...just as long as they would toe the line, speak and vote the way they were told. In truth, they have not improved one damned thing for the common person on their tenure.

And nopw, people are finally getting it.

Dear ghod, we are a thick and dull people.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:12 PM
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63. Yes we are....saddled with addled leaders too...and by our own choice
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 08:12 PM by opihimoimoi
,,,Damn....we are but a strange species much like the lemmings....when there is too much of us...we have an ingrained DEATH WISH...

2 Big Concerns and no one talks about it....Over Population and the Climate Change aspects....not addressing...

We diddle in the Middle...

We reject

We wait for the MIRICLE to make it all good....

For that we await dire times...
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:20 AM
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78. You forget,,,
the GOP makes it's own reality....and by the time we realize it, they've made another reality....or something like that.

I love how we're told it's all in OUR minds by the folks who claim to make their own reality. Uh huh.....
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:17 AM
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5. Obama could win this election on the single issue of Social Security, IMO.
His is the only sensible plan and if the truth of the insolvency of the system is clearly told, every sane current contributor to the system making less than ~100,000/year would have to think long and hard before taking McCain's side on this.

It's time for someone to grab that third rail with both hands.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:34 AM
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6. and the fact that is relatively close means that intelligence is not going to win or lose this
election


fear is
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:38 AM
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7. Nothing left of our decades of SS contributions is pretty scary...
Much as fear has been the biggest tool in the box of the opposition over the past several cycles, it might just work in our favor on this issue, no?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:42 AM
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10. actually SS is only underfunded by a few percent

Its medicaid that is collapsing.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:59 AM
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25. ss is not underfunded
There is currently a SS surplus just like there is every year.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:44 AM
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31. It is underfunded from an actuarial point of view in terms of keeping it
permanenetly viable.

With the size of the baby boom, increasing length of life combined with smaller growth at the base of the pyramid funding sources would outstrip payments in 2040 or there abouts.

Medacaid is collapsing and benefits are being cut each year.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 01:33 PM
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34. i dont know anything about medacaid
But the Gore Lockbox would completely solve the SS problem and get us over the baby boomer hump(if one really does happen). I still have grave doubts concerning the projections of doom.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 09:16 PM
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66. Social Security runs huge surplusses every year . .. that's how Bush is
paying for his wars and his tax cuts ---

And, poor and middle class people are making higher FICA payments than necesary to keep

this slush fund going for Bush ---

If all the IOU's were repaid, Social Security would be infinitely soluable.

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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:43 AM
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11. But the economy will still be in the toilet
and that's where most people's heads are at (on the economy, NOT in the toilet!).
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:21 PM
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39. Oh please......
...of course "The People" have their heads in the toilet. Look at the point spread between McSchmuck and Obama. If "The People" had any brains, this contest would be over now.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:11 AM
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74. Obama will win in a landslide. The MSM use the polls to keep the race alive,
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:52 AM
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12. Excellent post. Rec'd.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 10:47 AM
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27. thanks Maddy
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:13 AM
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16. Times like this I wish Tim Russert were alive. He would have had McCain for din-din...
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 03:15 AM by vaberella
RIP TR. K&R

:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:17 AM
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29. Actually despite his other faults he would have focused on this and been relentless about it
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:49 AM
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18. Any more of this, and they just might replace McSame as the GOP Candidate
Who with?

Guaging from the field, the strongest candidate the GOP can put forward now is Joe Lieberman.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:54 AM
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19. Excellent post
Recommended and thank you.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:55 AM
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20. "Gramm and his investors have felt the pain as much as anyone" *
with an asterisk ...

* if they bother to read their own investment statements

"Mental Recession" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

K/R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:31 AM
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30. lol
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 07:01 AM
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21. I agree. His brand of "leadership" will finish us off.


He's scary. The thought of a one-two punch in the gut of a twelve year reign of Bush-McCain is really unimaginable. I honestly think he would nuke Iran.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:20 AM
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22. McCain/Gramm think millions who have paid into SS for a lifetime are "WHINERS" to expect a pension!
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 08:21 AM by charles t
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:26 AM
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23. I don't see anybody screaming for another private retirement savings account to replace SS
Anybody with earned income can save to an IRA and most have access to a 401k. In these sort of times I think very few Americans are maxing out these options.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:26 AM
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24. What a great post!
:thumbsup:

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:28 PM
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44. thanks Pelois Fan
and good for you for sticking up for her amongst all of the cheap shots here.
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dccrossman Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 12:00 PM
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32. He's trying to be both the maverick and a champion for the GOP base
Since I'm sure that majority of the electorate is not paying even the slightest bit of attention yet, a few targeted ads in the last two weeks of the race, highlighting these flip-flops and mis-speaks should win the race, if we replaced Obama with even just a sack of potatoes. I mean, come on.

Unfortunately, in the world we live in, probably 80-90% (I made that number up =) ) of the voting population will not have paid any attention outside of the occasional ad that caught their eye. Suddenly they'll collectively say, "Oh hey, it's almost November and this is an election year! Don't forget to pick up candy for the trick-or-treaters. Oh and don't fast-forward through that next ad, want to be sure I'm well-informed when I jump in the booth."

Am I a cynic?


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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 01:18 PM
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33. No, you're not a cynic
and the American Idol auditions are coming to my area this week! Now THAT'S worth paying attention to!

(Is the sarcasm icon really necessary here?)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:05 PM
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38. welcome to DU
actually polling shows that he no longer has the maverick brand


He now has the 'old' brand
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:15 PM
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35. Damn FINE Work GrantCart! K&R!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:35 PM
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36. thanks Berni
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:49 PM
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37. The majority of the US Corp. Media want a Rethug Regime.
They don't care who the Pres. is, as long as he/she is RWing & doesn't upset their power.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:32 PM
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40. I get the distinct feeling lately that the GOP is not sweating what McCain does
I don't think he's going to make it to the nomination. Maybe I should be posting this in another forum... Seems to me the Party is raising money while their candidate thrashes around without direction, vision, or message, drowning in his own dithery mis-statements, and no one is reaching out to help him. I wonder if someone else is in the wings to step in at the last (inevitable, because of health) moment just in time to waste every attack ad produced before the GOP convention. I'm probably just paranoid. It's hot this afternoon.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:16 PM
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43. by raising money for the party they can control it better and divert it to Senate seats

McCain opend a single state office in the last few weeks - this one in California with a single staffer

and it is paid for by the RNC -

They simply wanted to have some presence in the largest state in the union and knew McCain wasn't going to do it.


If they pull McCain in the middle of the campaign they are giving an automatic landslide. The media would be in a frenzy to win the prize for being the first one to find a flaw in the guy. They would destroy that candidate - Republican or Democrat.


Also McCain has no interest in getting off the ticket. He likes campaigning - knows that he will never do it again and I don't think

he gives a shit if the Republicans lose in a landslide. It will be interesting to see who he picks for VP that person will inherit the mess that Bush left the Republican party.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:37 PM
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45. If the VP pick is Jeb, I'm building a bomb shelter.
Really, I am sure you are correct about your observations re: the RNC and McCain. Of course they thought they could hand off a failing economy after Bush Pere and take it back after four years when his successor couldn't fix it, either. Clinton proved them wrong. Obama will win in a landslide if the election is fair.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:05 PM
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46. well unfortunately they aren't going to pick Jeb


that would be the end of the Republican Party as we know it and lead to a 45 state win.


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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:57 PM
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49. You really know how to cheer a girl up, grantcart!
Thanks for the grins! Imagine, a 45 state win! :kick:
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:43 PM
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42. Worst then the Chimp!!!
Scary!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:23 PM
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47. The only way McMalfunction will win is by stealing the election.
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 05:24 PM by Jesuswasntafascist
Which I believe they have every intention of doing. There is no way people with a brain in their head would vote for this idiot.

I forgot to add: K&R
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:48 PM
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48. Hell, Bush was a clown from day one, but the damn chicken-shit
voters put him in office anyway! Americans are more afraid of "terrorists" and gay marriage than they are of getting a stroke or having cancer, which are far more likely, yet they allow this neo-conspiracy to take over our country and run it into the ground. God, I am sick of conservatives!
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:17 AM
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76. Chicken shit voters....
.....cast more ballots for both Gore and Kerry. Why do you think voters put bush in office? It's obvious both elections were stolen. Stop believing in and spreading GOP lies, will ya?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:58 PM
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50. K & R. Although sadly McCain will rumble on...
But at least we have threads like this and to call him out on his BS.

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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:58 PM
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51. McCain is an economic MORON. Worse, he seeks economic advice from a corporate crook
who has nothing but disdain for millions struggling to get by in Bush's America. Gramm has a LONG history of actions and statements which show how he will completely disregard the plight of working Americans in his zeal to secure more wealth for the greediest of the greedy. McCain is either stupid or a bad liar if he wants us to believe that he was unaware of Phil Gramm's Marie Antoinette mindset.

I completely agree. McCain's campaign should be dead and buried. It will be interesting to see who in the MSM will continue to carry water for McCain.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:02 PM
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52. well he gets an A+ for consistency
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:08 PM
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53. Hasn't * been running the "war on terror" outside the budget?
If so, how does ending it help balce the budget?
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:09 PM
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54. I just heard the "SS is a disgrace" comment on teevee
Amazing!!! I literally choked on my drink. :spray: What the hell did he even mean?!?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:37 PM
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56. The full quote is even worse. WARNING!! Put down your drink before proceeding.
"Americans have got to understand that we are paying present-day retirees with the taxes paid by young workers in America today. And that's a disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace, and it's got to be fixed."

Most people know that's the way it's ALWAYS worked. Anyone running for the presidency damn well SHOULD know that basic factoid. Didn't McCain hear any of the debate about Gore's "locked box" for the current surplus of payments that Bush is now spending to fund his war and tax cuts for the rich?

McCain didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia. He didn't know what his stance is on forcing insurance companies to pay for birth control. Johnnie boy doesn't know a LOT of things that he should. He is dangerously STUPID.

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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:39 PM
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57. He will not survive this Social Security gaffe..

I think that's a real deal breaker. Just lost the AARP vote.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:21 PM
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55. I am terrified. We are in the hands of thugs for 192 more days, and they
might fix the election in a number of ways between now and then. I break out in a cold sweat in the deep South and can only think about the possibilities for a few seconds at a time.
Never was so much at stake after two Bush terms that have destroyed so much when re-building is what is needed.
McCain strikes me as not just out of touch, but simply geriatric in really bad and destructive deteriorating ways.
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:51 PM
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58. Do you think he will last through the convention?
He is doing so badly, I sometimes wonder if the GOP bosses will pull the plug and take their chances with another candidate. Remember, he is only the presumed nominee, and they have a history of overriding the will of the voters.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:52 PM
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59. well with the IndyMac situation, Gramm opened his mouth at the wrong time.
It's over for McCain.
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NattPang Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 07:25 PM
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61. It better end on November 5th!
That's all I know.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 07:58 PM
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62. Rethuglican/McCain Response to Grantcart: Damn you and your facts to hell!
You use all like facts and graphs and things. Rethuglicans dont do facts.

:spank:

:toast:

:pals:

:rofl:
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:18 PM
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64. I might contribute to the McCain campaign, I *heart* John.
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 08:20 PM by JustABozoOnThisBus
If he drops out, the Repubs might find someone who can actually win. With John McCain at the top of the Repub ticket, the presidency should be a lock for the Democratic ticket.

Run, John, Run.

Edit to add: I just pictured a drunk frat boy, saying "hold my beer and watch this" as he aims a stream of piss at the third rail.
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Steerpike_Denver Donating Member (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 10:40 PM
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70. I've read speculation about this too
But the big question is, WHO?

It makes sense that the Repubs might want to pull the plug on McCain't at the last minute and bring in some dazzling knight in shining armor to rescue the party's chances, but who? Really, WHO?

Romney?
Giulliani?
Huckleberry?
Thompson?
Brownback?
Paul?
Tancredo?
There's the whole primary field, unless I'm forgetting someone, Do you really think there's someone on that list who could gear up from a standing start in August or September and do better than McCain?

Maybe you're thinking they'll pull in a ringer who wasn't in the original primary:
Rice?
Petreus?
Jebby?
Powell?
Please. None of these would have any chance of rallying all the elements of the Republican party, let alone threaten Barack. The problem is, most of the original prospects to be groomed as W's successor imploded rather spectacularly: Frist, Allen, Giulliani...No, the fact is McCain't really is their best chance, and that's got to be the most encouraging thing we have going for us.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:21 PM
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65. Kicked and recced - McCaine's replacement ought to be along any day now....
He is obviously out of his fucking mind.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 09:21 PM
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67. This is why Obama fucked up by telling Move On that he didn't want their help with ads.
McCain is writing those ads by himself!!
Every day!
Every single day that he opens his mouth, yet we aren't supposed to have any 527's help Obama by making ads showing what a lying cocksucker McCain really is!!

This one is perfect - "Phil Gramm who?"
But, noooooooooooo, we're not supposed to have any ads attacking McCain.
Shit no, Obama wants to win it by playing the part of martyr.

Fuck!!
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 10:01 PM
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68. Yeah, but what about that joke John Kerry flubbed one time?
Remember that? Remember that?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 10:30 PM
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69. Spectacular!
Among the best posts I've read.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 11:41 PM
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71. Phil Gramm is an economic fraud
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:14 AM
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75. And you know what the worst part is?
There are still going to be people who are stupid enough to vote for this moron. There are no words . . . :banghead:
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:17 AM
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77. Shocking that the working pay into Social Security to provide income to
elderly.:sarcasm: That's the whole premise of Social Security.
The truth is, McCain, as all cons, would love to undo everything that FDR created. Limbaugh said as much.
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War Pigs Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:40 AM
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79. how'd you like to meet the 4 guys he graduated above at
USNA??? Another example of affirmative action for dumbass white kids from influential families. Never should have got into the academy and never should have been allowed to stay. Can't wait for the debates, the R's are stupid enough to think he'll smoke Obama??? Let's get ready to ruuuuummmmmbbbllle!!!:wtf: :wtf:
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:22 AM
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80. Even decent ordinary Republicans are upset over the crap that McCain spews.
That's why many of them are hoping against hope that they can replace McCain at the convention.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:53 AM
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81. When I heard him say that Social Security is a disgrace,
I called up my friends, and said, "McCain lost the election today." No one over 60 wants Social Security abolished, and no one under 60 was going to vote for him, anyway.

If only it weren't for that pesky contingent that never watches the news, and votes Repub no matter what...
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:58 AM
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82. Obama people are taking note... these video clips will make great commercials.
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