David Hackworth Calls Rove a draft dodger and tells Bush to knock it off

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Colson told Klein that Kerry “was a thorn in our flesh. He was very articulate, a credible leader of the opposition. He forced us to create a counterfoil. We found a vet named John O’Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O’Neill meet the president, and we did everything we could do to boost his group.”



O’Neill and his chorus of haters are still in their get-Kerry mode. I suspect the decades-long fury is still fueled by Kerry’s high-profile anti-war stance when he returned home. That was a position that was taken by hundreds of thousands of other Viet vets, including myself in 1971 – which, according to Joe Califono's recent book, Inside: A Public Life, almost cost me my life.



McCain has already asked President Bush to distance himself from this “dishonest and dishonorable” attack. Advice that Bush should take one step further by ordering Vietnam draft-dodger Karl Rove and the rest of the character-assassination squad who zapped McCain and Cleland to back off. And then publicly stand tall and say that this type of behavior insults every vet who’s served America in peace and war.



As our commander in chief, Bush also needs to bear in mind that the U.S. Navy and its high standards for handling awards are now on trial as well. Hopefully, the president’s righteous actions will expedite that institution’s exoneration along with Lt. John Kerry’s heroism.

Kerry's defense..and how could anyone with a shred of integrity not?

I noticed hackworth was still speading that Kerry was in for "4 months" thing.

He doesn't support the war, either.

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other General.

pumped and pumped to the media: i.e., insulting the Navy and all vets who served in war and all who received medals, etc. MAKE THE ATTACK ON KERRY AN ATTACK BY A LITTLE AWOL COWARD SHITHEAD ON ALL MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE SERVED HONORABLY..........we could really turn this big time against him.

First...to portray these Freeperboat assholes are victims...which they are...being used by RoveCo. to split and divide the military and the country to divert attention from this regime's Iraq invasion. These are poor souls who have lived with the stigma of "losing Vietnam" (held over them by their own GOOP bretheren to encourage their hate of Democrats) who think they now have a chance to clear their name. Misguided, just like 35 years ago.

Then we look at the entire attack...on any Vietnam vet or man whose served in combat. How can anyone who hasn't served in a war speak out against someone who did? How can these slimeboat assholes keep presenting lies that are refuted now by Navy documents and the accounts of those closest to Kerry & the action. It's time for these slime to go home and finally come to grips with what happened to them 35 years ago, and whose really playing them!

The over-reach with Kerry attempting to inflict his own wounds and that he had some "master plan" for world domination (isn't that the Hillary meme??) that was devised before Kerry went off to Nam. Sheesh.

Let's see how the next couple days transpire, but I suspect we'll be on the offensive on this one real, real soon...if we aren't already.

Thanks for posting.

but he will call either side out when they're wrong.

Hack does not tolerate bullshit. Good for him.

People from all stripes standing up in Kerry's defense and against the slimefest from the ultra RW.

'Nail, meet hammer..' Wooooooooohooooooooooo :bounce:

And this isn't the first time he has fired in Bush's direction.

Nazi Draft Dodging Rove and everyone else involved in this smear have now raised negative speculation on ALL medals being awarded to ALL soliders. It is a fucking shame how these fascist fucks are bit by bit taking away everything that America was so proud of it's self over.

FUCK!:mad:

if he continues with this smear campaign. To many Chicken Hawks, draft (dodgers) deferments and not enough Hero's on his side.

Even the conservative Vets will see that he is calling into question the value of their own medals. They created this patriotic fever, now they can die by it.

Go ahead and shout it loud, the medals that any Navy Vet has earned are worthless, including their own. Its occurs to me that Navy awards system is flawed. Must be if rat bastard's like George Herbert Walker Bush, John Kerry, Max Cleland and John McCain earned medals!

So Swifties, "Whats In Your Wallet"? Lets see the long list of worthless medals you have.

by wellstonedemocrat..


One soldier comes home from Iraq an angry vet


A former neighbor's son just returned from Iraq via military hospital in Germany said something that was so sad but so obviously true: when his father was saying that he was proud of his Purple Heart but that it was one medal he'd rather Jim hadn't brought home he continued on to say that they were proud of his Bronze Star but, not the price he paid for it (he lost an arm). Jim, a sweet Texas boy like so many others who went over thinking he was saving the world looked at his dad and said:

"Yeah, everyone cheers now but in 20 years it will be worth shit." His parents, good Baptist-teetotaling-clean living-Conservatives were shocked at his language but when his father asked what he meant, Jim just about gave him a heart attack when he said: "Your hero Bush talks about soldiers all the time but when a veteran runs, he calls him a coward and a liar---what do you think people like that will turn my service into if I ever gave them a chance?"

His parents tried to say that he misunderstood, that the "Kerry situation was different and it was not Bush but fellow veterans doing the campaign to 'tell the truth' " but Jimmy cut his father off and said that if "Bush trashes one of us, he trashes us all. I don't know anyone who is voting for that asshole. They turned the TV off in the hospital because when he came on we threw things."

This is one angry young man who has obviously been through hell and come back a very changed man. You have to wonder how many more people will be going through this---I am happy to see that the smear of Kerry is NOT being missed by active duty Army enlisted men. Jim told my husband (who he used to avoid as "a liberal!") that "we are just less than nothing to Bush. He's a fuckin' deserter."

Funny how you think that this would be cause for celebration (he's a fundamentalist WEST TEXAS boy and they don't turn easily) but its heartbreaking to see the pain this man feels---and even the betrayal.

ON EDIT: my husband reminded me to include this part---the father called Kerry's injuries "nothing like yours, they were scratches" Jimmy told him: "any wound is serious and if no one has ever shot at you, you don't know what you are talking about. I won't judge another soldier's injuries---good for him he didn't lose a limb!" My husband said about this whole thing: we sent them a boy, HE brought us back a man.



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He has the guts to admit when he is wrong (as in calling Wes Clark "The Perfumed Prince"). I respect him for his honesty and certainly agree with him here.

Even when I don't agree with him, I have no reason to think he says what he does other than he believes it.

Can we say that about the Bush's Swifties? No.

One point, however:

Sure, Bush dodged the draft, along with a reported 14 million other Americans with the savvy to work out that Vietnam was a no-win, sorry war. But although he had the luck and the connections to land a spot in the Air Guard, he did put his butt on the line flying a machine for which he was entitled to hazardous-duty pay – and that's because zooming around in a jet fighter was and still is highly dangerous.

G. W. Bush and Dick Cheney did not dodge the draft because they thought the conflict in Vietnam was a "no-win, sorry war." On the contrary, they thought it was a noble cause and said so at the time and continue to say so today. They dodged the draft because they thought they were too good to die for their country; that, they believe, is the duty of the lower classes.

Junior must have realized early on that his sacred duty was to rule, not fight. And if that meant sending other young men and women to fight and kill or die in some far-away land, well he had the blueblood to do just that.

What I can't figure is how ANY self-respecting veteran could choose the cipher over Kerry at this point.

a bushie. I also thought that bush wasn't really flying around in airplanes, either so why perpetuate that?

"Sure, Bush dodged the draft, along with a reported 14 million other Americans with the savvy to work out that Vietnam was a no-win, sorry war".

Then why are they mad at John Kerry for protesting the war after he came back, after all it was a "no win sorry war" wasn't it?

I haven't heard anyone put it quite like that when talking about Bush and Cheney not going to Nam. Very powerful statement, why don't we have these kind of statements aired on the major networks? It really brings alot more to the issue of neither going to Nam in a much more enlightened way..

genuinely care for the troops and understands the difficulty of being there. He's also been critical of the war itself and the handling especially. There was a geat interview with salon.com he made a while back. He's written some scathing articles about Rumsfeld and I think he even called him an ass hole.

Conservatives would be foolish to dismiss him as a partisan hack (no pun intended), as he was critical of Clinton as well.

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Could the Swift boat ads split America over the Vietnam War... again? Colonel David Hackworth says yes, and tells Joe why in Scarborough Country.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789