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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:29 AM
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I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 10:32 AM by Phred42
Not sure how I feel about this. An UNREPENTANT supply-sider choosing the lesser of two evils (in HIS mind).

But he sees something he can work with... I guess this actually worries me

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I'm a lifelong conservative activist and I'm backing Barack Obama
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/07/16/2008-07-16_im_a_lifelong_conservative_activist_and_.html

BY LARRY HUNTER

I'm a lifelong Republican - a supply-side conservative. I worked in the Reagan White House. I was the chief economist at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for five years. In 1994, I helped write the Republican Contract with America. I served on Bob Dole's presidential campaign team and was chief economist for Jack Kemp's Empower America.

This November, I'm voting for Barack Obama.

When I first made this decision, many colleagues were shocked. How could I support a candidate with a domestic policy platform that's antithetical to almost everything I believe in?

...snip....

Plus, when it comes to domestic issues, I don't take Obama at his word.

...snip....

Besides, I suspect Obama is more free-market friendly than he lets on. He taught at the University of Chicago, a hotbed of right-of-center thought. His economic advisers, notably Austan Goolsbee, recognize that ordinary citizens stand to gain more from open markets than from government meddling. That's got to rub off.

...snip...

When it comes to health care, I am hoping Obama quietly recognizes that a crusade against pharmaceutical companies would result in the opposite of any intended effect.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:31 AM
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1. K & R!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:33 AM
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2. Just as long as we have his vote. nt
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:28 AM
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29. And the votes of those that listen to him. nt
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:35 AM
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3. He was on Olbermann last night and said...
... even though he (an economist) agrees with the Rethugs on the economy, the unnecessary wars and the trampling of our Constitution are MUCH more harmful to our nation than the economy right now. Our economy can and will come back from bad economic policy. But gutting the Constitution and waging illegal wars can destroy this nation. That's why he's going with Obama.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:54 AM
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10. Unnecessary wars and trampling the Constitution are ESSENTIAL to the economy he espouses
I hope one day he'll realize that.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:33 AM
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30. Corporations did pretty well before the military industrial complex
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 10:07 AM
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36. The Dr. was a Reagan economic advisor
Reaganomics was all about the MIC.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:05 PM
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12. He's absolutely right. The economy CAN revover from bad policy...
I recovered from the Reagan-Bush years under Clinton. And it will recover from the Bush years under Obama.

I have NO RESPECT for anybody who calls himself an economist if he's still running around trying to defend Reaganomics.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:40 PM
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27. I guess you really haven't read about Chicago School much.
:scared: scary stuff. Don't expect any sort of blue collar worker's revolution under Obama. His staff is stacked with Chicago School muscle.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:39 AM
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4. Catch Olbermann's interview if you can; if I see it, I'll post it. nt
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:43 AM
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6. I already posted this video here...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:47 AM
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8. Thanks! I went looking but did the search using Olbermann's name. nt
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:41 AM
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5. I think we will see more and more of this
Real conservatives realize what a fraud the neocons are. I don't for a minute expect them to be on board with a Dem agenda, but if they vote for Obama or stay home I'll be really happy.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 10:44 AM
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7. I am a lifelong (50 years) liberal activist
and I am not supporting Obama.

I will vote for Obama as the lesser of two bad choices.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:42 PM
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20. Yep. I'm voting against McCain (or who ever the Repug ends up being)
But I'm not voting FOR Obama. Not since his FISA crap.

I voted FOR Edwards however.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:34 AM
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9. He suspects Obama is more free-market friendly
And he would be as right about that as he is about his other list of horrible misunderestimations.

When talking about conservatives, one has to forget the aphorism that "a stuck clock is right twice a day". In their case, a clock running backwards is never right. But if he is going to vote for Obama, that's great, just do it, and later, when his track record on predictions is still zero, he can shut up and go away.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:10 PM
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14. "free market" is a hard term to pin down...
In a sense, there's no such thing as a free market - unless you fancy being paid with privately-printed money. To the extend that we're talking about "free trade," I think the consensus is that international trade is going to exist, and it should be as free and (wait for it) as FAIR as possible.

I personally have no problems with stuff being made in China as long as the people who make it get a decent wage and their health and safety are protected (hint: they're not). Fair Trade says we'll have trade agreements with countries who agree to a level playing field and to support basic worker rights and environmental standards. And I think Obama is on record as supporting that.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:33 PM
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15. I like what Thom Hartmann says about it.
It's not free, or fair, trade when China slaps a 20% tariff on our exports while we only put a 2% one on their imports. Pretty simple to understand.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:41 PM
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16. It's also not "free or fair" when the US dumps subsidized corn on mexican markets
Driving poor farmers out of business and into the city to look for work, where wages have slashed due to the lack of "anti-competitive" labor protections.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:55 PM
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23. Let's not even talk about that tragedy. IMF has done that to all the Caribbean nations.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 01:38 AM
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31. Pretty much all trade advocates think agriculture subsidies are a travesty
Edited on Sun Jul-20-08 01:39 AM by Hippo_Tron
But there is no good solution to end them. Unlike tariffs and quotas, the power over agriculture subsidies is vested in Congress which is responsive only to their constituents many of whom are farmers.

Democrats, on the whole, are even worse on farm subsidies than Republicans are, although Republicans don't do jack shit about it either.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:42 PM
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17. Yep. And that crap (I hope) will come to an end...
There's a whole bunch of people in the U.S. making a whole bunch of money off Chinese imports. Here's hoping that the gravy train derails on January 21, 2009.
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:38 PM
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26. yeah don't hold your breath.
Obama has little interest in ratting the neoliberal status quo.
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MJJP21 Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 05:17 AM
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34. It doesn't end there
It doesn't end there. What is a "decent wage"? When you work with a gun to your head and unions are outlawed there can be no free or fair trade. China and others need to enact legal systems that not only protect its workers but its citizens as well and are serious about their authority. China also needs to work on some of its very serious environmental issues like hazardous waste and other pollutants. When we see China becoming serious about tackling some of these issues then we should be willing to talk trade and not before.
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propel Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:57 AM
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11. I don't care if it's Satan himself
As long as He goes in a voting booth and votes Obama. Good news.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:05 PM
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13. This is funny
The far right thinks Obama is more right wing than he lets on and the far left thinks he is more left wing than he lets on.
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progressive_realist Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 04:01 AM
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33. Heh.
In presidential politics, I believe that is known as success.

:evilgrin:
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 12:43 PM
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18. "Not sure how I feel about this."
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 12:43 PM by adoraz
why?? a vote is a vote, and a vote from someone like this is extremely significant...

this is great news
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:44 PM
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21. It's the guy's reasoning.
He sees something that tells him Obama will be more 'centrist' (meaning Right-leaning these days)

After the FISA thing I'm not sure which wing of the bird Obama is 'faking out'
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:36 PM
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25. ah I see
sorry, I didn't catch that at first.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 01:39 PM
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19. don't care for his reasoning
but that's one less vote for McCain, if he is being truthful about really voting for Obama
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:53 PM
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22. I saw no positives beside him voting for Obama. I don't get it. He's like the reverse of PUMA.
Is there a chance of an Obama voting group like PUMA?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:55 PM
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24. Glad to have his vote.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 11:55 PM
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28. I'll kick you on to the Greatest and a redux.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:35 AM
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32. Like others, I'm glad for one more vote for Obama
Nothing he said bothers me; they're just his speculations.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 06:14 AM
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35. A crusade against pharmaceutical companies is long overdue. Let's
get back to funding our major university systems and maybe we will find cures for the diseases that now plague us. Alzeheimer's being one.

If the pharmaceutical companies had been in charge, we'd still be keeping our children in during the summer afraid that they would catch polio.
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