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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:37 AM
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Why is the current meme that Obama has to prove that he's not a risk?
I heard that on no less than Bill Press this morning. Where is this meme coming from?

Why is Obama any less of a risk than John McCain? What relevant experience does John McCain have that makes him a "sure thing", whatever that's supposed to be? What consistency does McCain have anyway? Consistent with what?

It seems to me that someone who was connected to a Keating or an Abramoff would present some kind of a risk. What am I missing?

Finally, what could possibly be more risky than the course set out by the Bush Administration, which course McCain has pledged to continue?

I guess there is no risk at all, if you're in the top .1%. But what's in store for the 99.9% of the rest of us if McCain has his way? And how about for those of us who value things like our civil rights, our Constitution, . . . Or how about for those in the military or with loved ones in the military?

Grrrrr. We should start a meme of our own regarding the risks posed by John McCain.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:40 AM
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1. Frankly, it is the same meme that was applied to Reagan in 1980...
...and after the first debate, America was able to envision him as a President.


Anytime anything "new" comes along... no matter on which end of the political spectrum... the "conventional wisdom" says that it is "risky".


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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:42 AM
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2. because Dems haven't attacked McCain
they need to portray McCain as a risky war mongerer. Give him a gun and he'll shoot it at the first thing he sees.
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:44 AM
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4. Yes, war mongerer.
I didn't stress that point enough in my opening post but that was a big part of what I was alluding to with the staying of Bush's course.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:44 AM
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3. The risk meme started with Bill Clinton (rolling the dice) and has been
continued by McCain and the media.

I think someone needs to start exposing the truth about McCain (that he is the biggest risk of all).
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Cary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:48 AM
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5. True but I find it rather obnoxious to think he needs to be exposed
I mean isn't it obvious? More war, less taxes? Where has that brought us today? I suppose we could do worse than an equivalent decline from 2001 to today, but Geeeez Louise. I'm just sayin.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:53 AM
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6. "Risk"=code word for black man
I see that as purely and simply suspicion that it wouldn't be "right" to have a black president. I also hear that meme with regard to Michelle i.e. "I just can't warm up to her!" (as if anyone in their right mind could warm up to Cindy the Homewrecker!). A black First Family? Eek!!!

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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:04 AM
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9. For some, yes
but I guess for most that see him as risky it is simply because he has not been around for long. The judgment vs experience thing. Experience is not the beginning and end of everything but it does matter. For some more than for others.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:09 AM
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13. Just like "arrogant" is code for "uppity" - and is applied whenever a black man appears confident
in his right to have achieved everything he has and to deserve fully to be right where he is, thank you.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:57 AM
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7. I can't find it right now, but I've heard reports of a poll that was taken that supposedly
showed that a majority of those polled considered Obama to be a greater risk that McCain for the presidency, but he was still leading McCain by a few points overall. I don't know how the question was phrased, but it apparently concerned experience, inexperience.

This might give some insight:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-22-poll-edge_N.htm
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:07 AM
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10. B/c the media repeats "Obama is a risk" 24/7, then takes a poll on it.
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 10:07 AM by Skwmom
What do you think the result would be?
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:18 AM
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16. I'm not defending or agreeing with the poll, just showing why the media is using
the word "risk" in regards to Obama.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:04 AM
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8. Because the MSM says so?
:shrug:
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:08 AM
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11. Cause he's a black man and black men are scary unless they prove otherwise?
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 10:08 AM by EffieBlack
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:08 AM
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12. Because the media has picked up the Rovian strategy....
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:14 AM
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14. He Does. That's What He's Been Doing
Since Obama has won the nomination, he's come up with a flood of well-thought-out policy statements, emphasized security, and showed his gravitas on the international stage. That's what you would expect.

McCain has a different challenge, but a challenge nonetheless to show he would be a safe choice and a good president. He has not yet met that challenge.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:22 AM
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17. McCain Doesn't Have to Do Anything But Let The Media Destroy Obama
There will never be any critical examination of ANYTHING about McLame because the MSM will not allow it on the air.
They will continue to protect him from any and all criticism.
We are running against the Mighty Slime Machine, not against McLame.

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:51 AM
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dupe
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 11:00 AM by ribofunk
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:51 AM
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19. Excuse Me, But Yes, McCain *Does* Have to Do Something
and he's not doing it. Obama is giving nothing -- nothing -- that can be used to destory him.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:24 PM
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26. They Had Nothing on Kerry
They make sh*t up.

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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 03:11 PM
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29. Exactly.
They are trying hard to find something on Obama, but he is still standing. :)
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:17 AM
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15. Someone With McInsane's Anger Management Issues Seems Like a Really Big Risk

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

I think we should run an updated version of the "Daisy" ad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKs-bTL-pRg
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 10:28 AM
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18. They're trying to put Obama on the defensive with a bonus
of trying to get him prove a negative. Not gonna happen.

It irks the hell out of them that Obama has been approaching this election from a positive stance. They keep trying to put him on the defensive and get him to run in defensive mode, but it hasn't happened.


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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:57 AM
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20. Obama addressed the "risky" comments in the NBC interview from Berlin

He points to being a newcomer vs. McCain being around for twenty odd years.

http://thepage.time.com/video-obamas-interview-with-nbc-news-from-berlin/
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 11:58 AM
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21. Obama's campaign needs to go on the offensive.
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 12:06 PM by anonymous171
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:00 PM
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22. I'm glad he's already acknowledged this and has downplayed it.
In the interview he did with Brian Williams, he said, "Look, I'm a fairly new face in American politics--of course many will view me as a risk. John McCain's a pretty familiar face--he's been around 25-30 years."

The debates will clear much of this up and McCain will be exposed for the fraud he truly is.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:04 PM
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23. I respectfully disagree with the reasons given on this thread.

The recent poll showed that the country has agreed with the policy points of Senator Obama - he has won the intellectual argument.


But he is a first term Senator that most Americans never heard of before 4 years ago and knew very little about a few months ago.



He does not have a substantive record to promote (or defend).



You could either be in a situation where people are emotionally connected to you but disagree or that they intellectually agree with you but are not yet comfortable.


I think the Obama campaign must be delighted with these numbers - including the one that you refer to. It simply is a lot easier to get people to know you and feel more comfortable with you than to have an argument and get them to change their policy point of view.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:07 PM
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24. I think it's actually more advantageous for people to still be in the
"getting to know you" phase, where they still are with Obama.

The primaries didn't expose him to as many people as we would have liked. If opinion hardens against you then you've got problems, but as long as Obama doesn't do anything particularly reprehensible he should be OK.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:08 PM
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25. Risk, schmisk. As if declaring independence from the British wasn't "risky". nt
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:29 PM
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27. Wait who are these Keating 5 people or Abramoff?
All I know is that there are rumors about Obama :shrug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:30 PM
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28. bill press is not a "no less than"...he of all
people turned into a mediawhore or something equally as repugnant.
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