** Snopes: Obama Snubs US troops in Afghanistan -FALSE! **

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

Sorry - I can't Copy and Paste from Snopes, but please go and read it there!
I submitted it to them yesterday, and just got the email back.

Quotes from soldiers there, "Personally, I think any Officer who would publicly gripe about not getting "thanked" for his service by a civilian is a disgrace to the military."

"I am disgusted to be serving alongside a liar like Captain Porter, I hope he gets court martialed for lying."



Feel free to kick and recommend so it gets lots of exposure for browsers here, this thing is viral right now.

I sure hope you learn the price of spreading slanderous bullshit.

Asshole needs to be schooled.

I wish Snopes hadn't changed their format so you can't copy/paste their page!

Select the entire page: CTRL-A under Windows, command-A on a Mac

Copy everything you've selected: CTRL-C, command-C respectively

Paste it into notebook or TextEdit (on a Mac, make sure you use Edit->Paste and Match Style). On my Mac, sometimes I've had to copy and past from TextEdit into another TextEdit window to get it right

This should get it into a format where you can exercise your fair use rights.

Here are two paragraphs from the link:

Origins: Tales of prominent Democrats snubbing or acting rudely towards military and security personnel (and tales of those personnel responding in kind) have been a common form of political rumor over the last few decades, so it was probably only a matter of time before an example of such popped up during the 2008 presidential election cycle.

The above-quoted account of Senator Barack Obama's supposedly "blowing off" military personnel in Afghanistan started hitting our inbox almost immediately after the senator's visit to that country during his July 2008 trip to the Middle East. It's difficult to independently verify the details recounted above because press coverage of Senator Obama's Middle East visit was severely limited, but according to an Army spokesperson (as quoted in the New York Daily News) they are false: The latest chain e-mail smear against Barack Obama: He "blew off" troops at an Afghan base to shoot hoops for a publicity photo.

You can simply diable javascript in your browser, then copy and paste the text normally. Then turn it back on if you want and go your merry way! :)

I had the same problem at Snopes before but lately I can copy & paste like the wind. I'm assuming they changed it back so that we can again copy more easily from their site.

I was able to circumvent this problem before on my Windows Vista computer by printing to file, using Microsoft XPS Document Writer. But like I said, I don't have to do that any more at Snopes.

Edit: I've already used this Snopes article in an email 'reply to all' rebuttal.

are debunked

all they have to do is release the lies, and they become part of the consciousness? even when they're debunked, the mere fact of their discussion redounds negatively

it's been shown statistically to be just as bad for the victim of the lie to have it shown to be a lie. the important thing is to keep the discussion going

how many people think Saddam was behind 911?

that he was tied in with Osama?

that we found WMDs in Iraq?

that Obama is a Muslim?

that Michelle railed against Whitey in church?

do I have to go on?

you'll see this used continuously throughout the campaign?

Those who don't are too stupid to really worry about anyway.

of approximately fifty million

twice

that's how they win: reducing EVERY issue to McDonald's-size marketing-oriented sound bites

those that pay attention hold their noses and vote for the dem pres candidate, hoping for the day a viable third party emerges

So no one is surprised. Thank GOD Obama has the good sense to have a smack down team to handle this kind of smear. No matter what canidate is put up, this is and will continue to happen. So when it does, we do not sit and wring our hands.. we beat them over the head with the truth.

There will always be a 10% and rightwing talking heads who depend on it for their livelihood who are going to believe any lie and pass it off as the truth.. they were never going to vote Obama or any democrat and I could give a shiny rats nether regions about any of them :)

The people we have to be concerned with are those who catch just tid bits of news here and there..

It said unconfirmed earlier.

"Hussein's visit to Afghanistan"? No, THAT'S not obvious. :wtf:

"The original poster attributed the message to an anonymous Air Force officer in the hope it would give the author, a Utah Army National Guard intelligence officer, some cover. But the Army captain’s wife had already forwarded it to others who posted the e-mail in full with the couple’s names."

Nice try, Captain Asscarrot. But NOT. THIS. TIME, lying sack of crap.

and he made a point of stating "father of six children" in his email. That makes me wonder if he was encouraged to send this by somebody else - Mitt Romney's campaign, perhaps?

don't forget, the Mormon church was one of the last organizations to integrate in the US. 1974 or so. Before then, blacks were the direct descendants of Cain (mark of Cain) and hence inferior/evil.

They didn't integrate because it was right, they did it under extreme political pressure from other countries and the BSA.

Obama is polling 31%.

It didn't used to be like that, in the 70s we were very blue. People who study it say it was abortion but I think it was money. If there is one thing Mormons love, its money so they pick the party that will make them richer.

They are not very Christian (IMHO) but then, neither are many "christians."

The writer of the email has completely recanted the charge and apologized.

the phony charge, or his apology?

I'm going on what I've seen happen, and this thing ALWAYS serves to cement whatever negative impression in the public's mind that the original lie purveyed.

it's physiological. you remember the lie, and that memory supercedes the debunking

they know that, and that's why they do it

over and over and over and over

the mere refutation simply repeats the lie. very insidious. very effective

Just repeating the rumors, even to declare them false, extends their life. And all of us on this board would know a rumor like this one would definitely be false.

Maybe not everyone knows to consult Snopes to debunk rumors and urban legends, but we also have Obama's site FighttheSmears.com as a resource.

Of all the ridiculous, defeatist, moronic, INCORRECT postures...

there is too much rumor and misinformation and people are quite receptive to getting the other side.


So it is helpful in getting the information out to people that are doing the canvassing.

How?

Click on View

Click on Page Source

To locate the quickly move to the area with the text within the html source use Find and enter "Claim" then move down a few lines to locate it.

Press Ctrl and F to use the Find feature.

Then you can cut and paste from your email program...

K&R

We immediately went to Snopes and sent him the truth. I hope he feels bad.

I was glad Snopes covered this. I was able to send back a link. I wish all the people who were in the E-mail chain would send back the link.

By the way, I was able to copy/paste the article by clicking on Print. The resulting pre-print page was able to be highlighted and copied.

Hekate

I wish they wouldn't have redacted his email address because I'd love to send him an email and tell him what a disgrace he is.

I too hope he gets court martialed for this. It's really pathetic that the right wingers don't have anything positive to say about their candidate so they make up shit about ours.

You know what *I* heard? McCain likes to kill puppies and eat them. Plus he lights cat's tails on fire just to watch them run. He's a sick fucker.

I added this to the DU debunker:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=284

Thanks for posting this. :hi:

cool

Check it out--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=284x121

:)

More than other forums, IMO, people tend to read the OP and use the scoop to refute lies elsewhere. It might be appropriate to move this to the Research Forum.

from my mother. Maybe I'll send her the debunk first - before she gets a chance.

I so hope he doesn't check Snopes first. :evilgrin:

First, they think Snopes is a liberal whitewash machine. Second, truth is irrelevant to their purpose, which is to trash their target.

I love it.

"Re: The visit of Hussein

"You know, I'm not a political person."

:rofl:

Snopes seldom slaps down a hoax so severly.

Check out this article from Army Times:



Looks like our swift boat wannabe has stepped on his tallywhacker.



Here's an even better news article: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/07/24/2008-07-24_army_officials_refute_claim_of_barack_ob.html

That Cpt. Porter receives the discipline he deserves as a now-proven lying sack of shit. I would also hope that he would be sweated long enough by JAG to find out who put him up to this.

Hey I went to this guy's blog and it has been suspended for violation of service:-)

http://wordpress.com/tag/jeffrey-s-porter/

What a loser. I hope he gets court martialed and will devote all of my free time to seeing that everyone I can think of in the crooked msm who reported this garbage gets the Snopes link sent to them along with questions re their journalistic integrity. Where's the outrage that you were lied to, mr and ms "reporter"?

I e-mailed the snopes article preemptively this time.

to Snopes and found the denial by the army's spokesperson and sent it to him.

Plus a group of Youtube vids of Obama in Afghanistan with the troops.

And the name of that site would be - wait for it - the American Thinker!!

In the OP by Rick Moran (no, I didn't make that up):Evidently, if you're a soldier in Afghanistan and there are no cameras around to record how much you love the troops, you can blow them off if you are Barack Obama.

Posted by migtex1234: Wow. And this nonsense is on a site that bills itself as having something to do with Thinking? Please.

Obama is the guy that wants to increase our troop strength in Afghanistan, and is currently lecturing the Europeans, on their own soil, that they need to do more there.

McCain is the guy that wants, instead, to stay in Iraq for 100 years (why again?).

Posted by Jeff: He never said that. Find me the quote and post it on this site. You won't be able to.

Posted by steve: Jeff, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk

Posted by noname: Jeff, he says it here too. Watch this video as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6CLxpFuSmA&feature=related

Lots more at the website where all the thinkers are.

:rofl:

The candidates are winning this race through internet videos. Obama is leading in this catagory. This one just made it to DU http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x161886. How will McCain combat this?

Was there anyone here who actually thought otherwise? If there was, he/she doesn't belong here.

I saw with my own eyes ( on CNN & Cspan) his warm greetings with the troops, and noted that he flew around to several bases on his trip.I hear the media got annoyed because he let the military photographers do the shoot. Hardly snubbing them!
Contrast that with those stiff elitist meetings with W, fakey....... posed.
Or McLame........who would creak & call them all his "friends"!
I've had it up to the ear lobs with this foolishness, past time to impeach. that would shut up the RW noise machine! Solid reason right there.

I spent 1 year there and never seen Bush, the most famous person I seen visit was Bo Jackson.

CPT Porter did write this.
But,
he was not at the place he describes,
instead took text from other web sources, and
inserted it as his own.

Later he retracts by saying
to delete his email,
(unspecified)information in it was wrong,
claims it was only meant for his family despite including he's a father of six as though his "family" would somehow not know that.

Captain Porter, you seem to be part of the worst threat America faces: Republicans.

Seriously, there's a pattern here during the trip. McCain's team had nothing on Obama so they started to go after his basketball playing and exercise regimen. It's in CPT Porter's fictional account, it appears all over the wingnut blogs, with frequent references to the fancy hotel workout rooms.

It certainly makes a big appearance in the new McCain attack ad... and in an unintentionally hysterical twist, they attack Obama for "not visiting the troops" while showing video of Obama visiting the troops. Of course, it's the now iconic 3-point shot in Kuwait.

Man, that initial photo op that kicked off Obama's trip must have really fried the McCain camp's cookie. They're in a tizzy. And they're gonna go after Obama for his fitness and athletic prowess. Oooh! Scary.

This is going to be a very weird election, I'm thinking.