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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:00 AM
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Obama the LIAR emails
Has anyone else received the following email? What do you do when someone sends you crap like it?

I just want you to be informed, and stop this Obama
nonsense!

Obama lies:

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe
enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on
your birth, as Selma was in 1965. Source: hotair.com

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a
privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work
with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was
part of one of the most corrupt and violent
governments Kenya has ever had
Source:http://atlasshrugs2000…

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom -
LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass
violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate
election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread
violence in decades. Source:http://atlasshrugs2000…

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR,
she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to
her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity
wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1
man. Source: According to NYTimes story of April of
last year, Sarah Hussein Obama told the New York Times
she is a devout Muslim.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is
Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means
‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and
so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it
daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim
and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made
you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you
were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in
Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own
book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher
says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign
Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6
to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did
you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except
for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger
surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the
planet and thus have NO experience with our closest
allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion -
LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be
Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of
struggle to identify - your classmates said you were
just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office -
LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in
your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On
Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you
mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did,
exist.

15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR,
here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you
would not have enough experience by then, and you are
all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they
are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO
VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by
church groups and democrats, did you beg to change
your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a
senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a
senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR,
you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create
it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took
just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill
was rejected by your own party for its pandering and
lack of all regulation - mainly because of your
Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of
March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for
have yet to be released, exposing all the special
interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess -
LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who
remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone
else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your
111 economic policies were just combined into a
proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against
your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR,
even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD
action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR,
they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you,
after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist
you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the
Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the
conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the
Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend
Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after
the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in
Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and
he were working together on getting FARC recognized
officially.

31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed
national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks -
and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let
the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer
caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters,
force a public vote, and only operate during small
windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR,
you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write
yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that
friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying
this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you
used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running
against you.

39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of
it.

40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47
lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad -
LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his
Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom,
who started MySpace issued a warning about this
advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you
inspire people with other people’s words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR,
you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for
Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you
weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have
voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich,
who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem
to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care -
LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000
who don’t have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts
Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having
sent you letters about this conflict have no record of
any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t
wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your
heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In
Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in
the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their
contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR,
your wife has received nearly a quater of a million
dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to
Wal-Mart.

51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of
Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of
Wal-Mart, according to public records.

52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair -
LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her
already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit
Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years.
They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and
overcharge everyone in general by 538%!

53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR,
you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a
real estate deal with him during a time when he was
proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you
divided your property and had them take off $300K
before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s
wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford,
saving you $625,000.

54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR,
you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko (first $66K,
then when caught lying $86K, then when caught lying
again $150K and now caught lying YET AGAIN OBAMA, it’s
$250k) their money when publically called on their
involvement in your campaigns.

55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church -
LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who
married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US
for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the
year.

56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR,
you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married
you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of
money to assist the church in furthering its message -
hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500
to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That
is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement,
Senator Obama.

57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR,
you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you
are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu,
AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi,
who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal.
Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million
dollar property long before Obama had millions of
dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when
Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special
interests such as him.

58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that
have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days
later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I
hear controversial statements while I sat in that
church? Yes I did.”

59.) The Passport Invasion is a conspiracy to find
dirt on me! - LIAR. Your own Campaign Foreign Policy
Advisor is the CEO of the company that looked into
your records. PS - You had them look into yours to
hide the fact you looked into Clinton’s and McCain’s
more than a year before!

60.) Rev. Meeks has nothing to do with my campaigning
- LIAR. Rev. Meeks appeared in ads for your Senate
Campaign, donated to you, and helped raise money, then
AND NOW. PS - He also seems to despise America.

61.) My wife didn’t mean America is ignorant, she was
just using a phrase - LIAR. Again, Michelle’s comments
perfectly sync with Wright’s, Meeks’, and Farrakhan’s,
both in language, anger, and direction.

62.) I am very Anti-Terror - LIAR. <03/30/2008> One of
your good pals is long time radical and terrorist
William Ayers, with whom you have been seen in the
last 12 months and who has helped the now jailed
khalidi, Professor at Columbia who invited Ahmadinejad
to the University, to raise money for Palestinian
terrorism attacks against Israel. PS - Your church
published a pro Hamas Manifesto - guess you weren’t
there on THAT Sunday either? How lucky for you.

63.) I have the best plan to cure the Mortgage Crisis
- LIAR. <03/30/2008> You and your campaign buddy Penny
SubPrime Bank Collapse Prizker have had your little
fingers full of subprime cash - Obama has taken
$1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans:
Obama received $266,907 from Lehman, $5395 from GMAC,
$150,850 from Credit Suisse First Boston, $11,250 from
Countrywide, $9052 from Washington Mutual, $161,850
from Citigroup, $4600 from CBASS, $170,050 from Morgan
Stanley, $1150 from Centex, and last but certainly NOT
LEAST - Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. I
am sure that cash all came from folks who knew the
subprime loan they had was a dream, eh?

64) I played greater role in crafting liberal stands
on gun control, the death penalty and abortion - LIAR
- <03/31/2008> It was found that Obama — the day after
sitting for the interview — filed an amended version
of the questionnaire, which appears to contain Obama’s
own handwritten notes added to one answer. Read Obama
had greater role on liberal survey

65) I did NOT play the race card: - LIAR -
<03/31/2008> Obama was the first to play the race
card. According to Philadelphia Inquirer, Quietly, the
storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack
Obama’s pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, has blown
away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary
campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has deliberately and
cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama
the “black” candidate.

66) I did not take money from oil companies: - LIAR -
<03/31/2008>

THE FACTS: True enough, Obama does not take money from
oil companies. No candidate does. It is illegal for
corporations to give money to politicians.
Corporations, however, do have political action
committees that collect voluntary donations from
employees and then donate them to candidates. Obama
doesn’t take money from PACs. He also doesn’t take
money from lobbyists.

But he does accept money from executives and other
employees of oil companies and two of his fundraisers
are oil company executives. As of Feb. 29, Obama’s
presidential campaign had received nearly $214,000
from oil and gas industry employees and their
families, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan
Center for Responsive Politics. Clinton had received
nearly $307,000 from industry workers and their
families and Republican Sen. John McCain, the likely
GOP presidential nominee, received nearly $394,000,
according to the center’s totals.

Two of Obama’s fundraisers are Robert Cavnar, the
chairman and chief executive of Houston-based Mission
Resources Corp., and George Kaiser, the president and
CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co. Source:
Associated press via Yahoo News

67) “I don’t think my church is actually particularly
controversial,” Obama said at a community meeting in
Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month. - LIAR - But
yesterday, he told a different story. “Did I ever hear
him make remarks that could be considered
controversial while I sat in church? Yes,” he said in
his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.

68) Look at my education record in Illinois - LIAR -
In reality, Obama never really championed the local
councils. He supported them behind the scenes and only
eventually came out publicly on their behalf. When he
did weigh in, he came down on the wrong side of the
debate—against protecting principals from unwarranted
dismissals and in favor of keeping councils
independent, no matter what. In the end, the
resolution of the conflict between the two sides
didn’t alleviate anyone’s concerns. Instead, it
prolonged a turf battle that seems to have dragged
down academic progress in the years since. Read more
here http://www.slate.com/id/21880…

69) “I stopped smoking. I stopped smoking. I haven’t
had a cigarette since I quit - LIAR - But in his own
words, here is what Obama said. Except….last night on
MSNBC’s Hardball, Obama admitted that his attempt to
wean himself from the vile tobacco weed had not been
entirely successful. I fell off the wagon a couple
times during the course of it, and then was able to
get back on,” he said. “But it is a struggle like
everything else.”

70) I did not campaign in Florida, (so Florida vote
shouldn’t count) - LIAR -According to Boston Globe,
Herald Tribune and other sites, Obama airs “ads” on
Cable stations in Florida. Even with the Florida cable
ads, Obama still lost. From herald tribune.com Obama’s
Florida ads bust pledge

71) Obama distort (aka “Lie”) about McCain saying,
“McCain (he) is willing to send our troops too another
war of 100 years in Iraq”. Obama also denied what he
said on the video - LIAR - The video proves him
absolutely untruthful (”a liar”).

72) Obama on Guns - when Obama ran for the Illinois
state senate the political group, Independent Voters
of Illinois (IVI), asked him if he supported a “ban
the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns”
and he responded “yes.” - LIAR- But in what will
probably be the most improbable change, the Politico
reported on Saturday that Barack Obama was making a
big play for gun votes in Pennsylvania. In 1998,
another questionnaire administered by IL State
Legislative National Political Awareness Test didn’t
ask about banning all handguns, but it did find that
Obama wanted to “ban the sale or transfer of all forms
of semi-automatic weapons.”

73) Here is what Obama now said he meant about comment
he made about Small town PA - “So I said, ‘Well, you
know, when you’re bitter you turn to what you can
count on,’ ” he continued. “So people they vote about
guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their
family and their community. And they get mad about
illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country
or they get frustrated about, you know, how things are
changing. That’s a natural response.” - LIAR - See
what Obama really meant in red. It does not take high
school student to understand what Obama meant - “You
go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a
lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been
gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them…And
they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the
Bush Administration, and each successive
administration has said that somehow these communities
are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not
surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or
religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them
or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as
a way to explain their frustrations.

74) “I did not recall meeting Nadhmi Auchi at any time
or on any occasion” - LIAR - But a government witness
said on Monday, during Antoin Rezko’s corruption
trial, that he recalled seeing Sen. Barack Obama at a
party that Rezko held in 2004 to honor Nadhmi Auchi,
an Iraqi-born tycoon. Two other guests at the party
declared the Obamas were present at the event, which
took place one week before Obama won his U.S. Senate
seat.

75) “I did not take money from oil companies” -LIAR-
It is against the law to take money from oil
companies. None of your opponents take money from oil
companies either.

76) “I am the only candidate who isn’t taking a dime
from Washington lobbyist” - LIAR- The record shows
quite the opposite. According to USA Today, Obama’s
campaign fundraising team includes 38 members of law
firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby
the federal government, records show. Those lawyers,
including 10 former federal lobbyists, have pledged to
raise at least $3.5 million for the Illinois senator’s
presidential race. Employees of their firms have given
Obama’s campaign $2.26 million, a USA TODAY analysis
of campaign finance data shows.

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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:01 AM
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1. snopes covers it
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:02 AM
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2. well, I would start by not spreading it on the boards.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:04 AM
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3. Thanks-no kidding. The OP is helping them. Here's the snopes
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:07 AM
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4. Exactly.... "Tsk tsk - listen to this isn't it terrible that people would say such a thing?"
Age old trick of gossips.
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DrRang Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:09 AM
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5. Re Slur #6, Swahili is a trade or pidgin language, much of it derived from Arabic, numbnuts.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:10 AM
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6. Having been here since 2005, you MUST have seen each and every one of these
before.


I kinda doubt you are actually looking for answers.

Not accusing you, of course.

Just sayin'.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 11:23 AM
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7. I become suspicious whenever anyone posts this type of thing without...
...recommending any affirmative suggestion for taking an action or other commentary beyond, "look at this".

This post doesn't rise to the level of purposefulness.

:patriot:
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:02 PM
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8. I was looking for help as to how to address the email that came from a "friend". If you knew
anything about me, you wouldn't have made that post. I've been a member of DFA for almost 4 years and have been working on political campaigns for liberal democrats for years.
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HousePainter Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:18 PM
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9. Well thanks for sharing
Did you want general advice on how to handle this type of email ?
Or did you just want to "forward" it to readers of this board ?

General advice: DON"T "FORWARD" IT.
Hope that helps.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:21 PM
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10. I don't mistrust you, but...
I think you know what I mean by those posts that aren't sincerely looking for advice on what to do but are instead just echoing crap for less productive reasons.

To answer your question, I don't think there is a blanket good answer; it depends on who you want to enlighten.

It might be enough to debunk just one element and explain that if one part is crap, there rest probably is too.

As others suggest, a link from snopes may work, but there are people who refuse to accept the truth and they aren't worth the effort.

Sorry to have questioned your sincerity.

:thumbsup:
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:24 PM
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11. Here's the email I sent
Why do you insist on deceiving and deluding yourself with information from every right-wing blog?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

I worked with him during the 2004 election . The reason I posted it is because I haven't heard from him in over a year and felt exasperated.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:41 PM
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12. Good, I hope it's read and not deleted.
That's pretty sad, that you worked with him.

How could he be so gullible?

Because the smears worked so well in the past we can expect them to grow worse.

Best luck to all of us in fighting them.

Stay positive and proactive---good job! :toast:
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:43 PM
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13. block the sender N/T
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 05:45 PM
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14. I didn't mean to imply that you did not have the best intentions.
However, like another poster mentioned, most who have been here have seen all of these emails, it might be best to just summarize the email in the future.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 06:07 PM
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15. Your answer to this is ALL in the archives.
And so are about a thousand posts by trolls who aren't interested in any kind of real answer on EVERY point this email asks.


I am not calling you a troll. There just didn't seem to be anything new or particulary earnest about the post.

If you really want to know about how to handle all this, you have my earnest apology and I'll clam up on the matter.


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