CBS quoting Kaine saying: "Kerry spent too much time..talking about windsurfing

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/24/opinion/main682882.shtml






edited to correct title

so I will kick it for a while

:evilgrin:

CBS and not Governor Kaine

...if you mean changing his answer. It was more than retelling and changing the emphasis ~ I don't know how they're getting away with it.

This is about CBS and their continued lies.

:rofl:

mediawhores use to create controversary.

They fired Dan Rather and hired katie couric, didn't they?

In the same article?

They wrote a headline (which is designed, every one, to grab attention) and then elaborated.

I see nothing wrong with CBS or the article.

CBS lying, it is not.

A politician saying and doing what it takes to get elected (which is what they all do, every one) is much closer to lying.

Believe me, I'm not lying.

In the first paragraph the charachterized Kaine's statement as follows:

His views on abortion are roughly in line with those of George W. Bush. He thinks John Kerry spent too much time on the campaign trail talking about windsurfing and not enough time talking about God


Kaine's statement was on how Democrats need to get more comfortable talking about the values that form their faith and said that Kerry was more comfortable talking about his hobbies than his belief system. The quote by CBS, IMHO, completely changed the nature of his remarks.

And then when Kaine continues to comment saying that he understands why people are guarded about false piety the paper further tries to undermine his statement by saying he has a "limited amount" of sympathy for Kerry's situation. Really? Where did they get that.

Kaine says that Democrats need to connect more with people on value questions (which every commentator agrees with) and expresses understanding why it is hard for people to do it, and CBS tries to make it into one Democrat dumping on another, which if you read the entire comment that they quote, is not what Kaine was saying.

during the Republican convention. With a friendly or neutral media it would have been a nice photo op. It did prevent Kerry's health from being an issue - even though he had been treated for cancer the prior year. It was a gorgeous Nantucket day and Teresa, the media and some staffers were out in the boat. It was good clean fun for 2 hrs for the candidate.

Kerry did speak of faith - in fact, my daugher got tired of him referring to having been a choir boy - he also spoke of the gosples and what they said of caring for the poor.

Since then Kerry has spoken more on faith. I doubt any Senator (or Kaine)could do better than his Pepperdine speech in 2006 - video: http://www.pepperdine.edu/pr/releases/2006/september/kerry.htm and I doubt Kaine could write a speech likethe speech he gave on world religions relations just yesterday - text: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2008/07/kerry_to_addres.html , video: http://www.yale.edu/divinity/video/commonword/video.shtml

On air talent will say anything to stay on air. They know almost nothing about politics, and read whatever they're told to read.

More and more, we are seeing active efforts by CBS, ABC, and the like to spin to help the GOP.

coming 'cause it hasn't stopped for 8 years that I know about.

I think Obama Team has planned to win this thing going straight through the mainstreamediawhores.

Obama has opened up a can of whoop ass on McCain, who is shitting and falling back in it almost daily. MSM is working hard every day to find reasons to bemoan "why hasn't Obama got this thing locked up?"

If the MSM were not daily carrying water for McCain, Obama would have it locked up.

McCain has no more than 45%.

I was surprised in 2000 and I look forward to the day when the US mainstream corporate media is rendered toothless.

If you're quibbling about the lack of direct suggestion to talk less about windsurfing and more about god, then answer me this: what is Kaine recommending here? If it's a casual observation about the relative enthusiasm of the way Kerry talked about the two things rather than the relative amount devoted to the two subjects, it's a pretty flimsy argument. What would Kaine have had Kerry corrected? Would it have merely been a better performance when talking about belief? It sure as hell doesn't sound like it. Regardless, it's not too much of a leap of logic to surmise that Kaine's undefined remedy for Kerry's failing would be to increase the relative amount of talking about the big whoseywhatzit.

Although it could have been stated somewhat better, what CBS is saying here is a pretty fair representation of the spirit of the statement.

What's worse is that Kaine seems to think that it's appropriate to talk about faith in a big way when campaigning, and worse still that he does so while referring to the admonition against public displays of piety as nothing more than "tradition" instead of A CORE BELIEF OF GREAT IMPORTANCE. He effectively refers to this as some kind of backhanded ceremonial habit of laying off the godstuff in public; either he misses the point completely or he's playing a crappy little game.

Shoving religion into politics offends and disgusts many of us, and the intrusive demands to accede to crusading fanatics is not benign or something we must suffer in the face of the morally superior; it's arrogant abuse.

As for the major point here, it boggles the imagination: how can one read the English Language and somehow call this "lying"? It's sloppy to construct a sentence from this that puts the words in Kaine's mouth of specifically having Kerry make less utterances about windsurfing and more about God, but the spirit of the message is obvious: Kaine feels that Kerry should have spoken with greater zest and heartfelt joy about his religion. THAT'S what he says. I dare any of you deny THAT.

Worst of all is that Kaine is intimating that either Kerry has a shallow belief or that he's too cowardly to testify to the firmament about it. Boy, I've said some nasty things about Kerry, but I haven't gone that far.

It's an abominable tack for this man to take, and it's a bullshit circling of the wagons and mob imbecility for people here to not admit this.

This race is becoming more outrageous and disgraceful with every sanctimonious day.

For shame.

"Kaine feels that Kerry should have spoken with greater zest and heartfelt joy about his religion. THAT'S what he says. I dare any of you deny THAT."

Why should someone do that? The headline is still wrong. It claims he said something that he didn't say. It is not a fair representation. And given that the headline is constructed by someone who have read the article and is probably somewhat in command of the language - it must have been done intentionally = a lie.

Then you can like or dislike Kaine for what he said. That does not change the facts though.

There are no quotation marks in the CBS article, and it is purported as what he thinks, rather than what he's saying. Although it's a bit presumptuous to claim that the remedy for Kerry's actions would be for him to speak more about religion, the message is pretty clear from Kaine's quotes that whether the amount of words used or the relative import put on the words should be increased, religion should be given more weight.

The CBS article is not misquoting him, and the inference it's drawing is a pretty fair assumption, albeit with a bit of a leap of logic. Regardless, it's NOT a lie as the thread starter so shriekingly rages.

My statement that you quote is, on the other hand, NOT a leap of logic: it says that Kaine wanted Kerry to speak with greater enthusiasm about his faith, something that Kaine definitely said in his quote. The weaselly little inference is that Kerry is either cowardly or hasn't got the true love of the almighty in his breast, and that's mighty dirty pool.

cbs had false info i think

not a CBS report

unless they run some type of comment or article criticizing it.


But your rights the original 'crime' was The American Prospect.

In this case it is like a theif and the fence.

Now since the fence has a habit of doing it and was caught redhanded doing it last week then I think it is fair to lay it on their door step.

What a numbnuts. :silly: