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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:28 PM
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McCain is one Arrogant Pompous little Prick - "I know how to Win Wars"
He knows how to win wars?
Like which one?
How did he get that done? :shrug:
Isn't that more than presumptious of him to state this falsehood?


And where in the hell is the fucking media on this?
Where is their 24/7 analyzed collective outrage?
Why are they not questioning this guy's facts on this statement?

And furthermore, what is it with these McCain weekly radio addresses?
Does this guy thinks he's President already?
He's got some nerves!

And what about those $520.00 shoes? Now, how "Out of touch" and Elitist is that?

You get my drift. McCain is a giant hypocrite, and the media is so fucking biased,
they don't even bother to hide it.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:30 PM
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1. A statement for which he no proof
He was shot down in Nam
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:31 PM
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2. I get your drift, and think it's about time the MSM did likewise
McKook gets a free ride and then complains that the media ignores him.
I think it's time he got the scrutiny he thinks he's due--in spades.

(be careful what you wish for.........)
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:33 PM
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3. "I know how to crash planes."
By the way, I bought a $500 pair of Ferragamos at a thrift shop in San Francisco last week for $50. They have never been worn outside.

If McLame is elected, maybe I could be a financial adviser.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:34 PM
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4. What store in San Francisco?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:21 PM
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30. It's a closely-held secret (check your Inbox)
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:41 PM
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10. If McLame is elected, you'd be out of a job as we'll be bankrupt.
I would call it a moral crime if he knows how to win wars and he's been keeping his methods secret until after he's elected.

Why hasn't he told his bosom buddy, George?

What a crock of b.s.

NOTE: If he can buy a pair of $500 shoes for $50, put him in the Pentagon's purchasing department. They could use some help.

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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:36 PM
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5. He also knows how to help bankers steal your money.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:37 PM
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7. So does he son, apparently!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:37 PM
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6. Jon Stewart handled that one adequately....
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 04:37 PM by BlooInBloo
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:17 PM
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25. Sure was a brilliant analysis -- great to see it again ! THanks/nt
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:37 PM
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8. McCain most certainly did not win the one war he was in, Vietnam!
...Which wars has John McCain won since?
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:55 PM
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18. We did NOT lose Viet Nam! It was a tie!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:17 PM
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26. Oh so these are all bullshit, eh...
<snip>
Vietnam: The War the U.S. Lost
by Joe Allen
International Socialist Review, January/February 2004



Racism and total war
"The only thing they told us about the Viet Cong was they were gooks. They were to be killed. Nobody sits around and gives you their historical and cultural background. They're the enemy. Kill, kill, kill. That's what we got in practice. Kill, kill, kill."
A Vietnam veteran on basic training.

What was the American war like for the majority of people in South Vietnam, where the bulk of the fighting took place? While Westmoreland's war of attrition would ultimately prove unable to break the will of the Vietnamese people, it did unleash incredible destruction on them.

According to antiwar critic Noam Chomsky,
In a very real sense the overall U.S. effort in South Vietnam was a huge and deliberately imposed bloodbath. Military escalation was undertaken to offset the well-understood lack of any significant social and political support for the elite military faction supported by the United States.

This "huge and deliberately imposed bloodbath" consisted first and foremost of large-scale bombing. Bombing was, and still is, one of the great sacred cows of the American way of war.' America's incredible industrial infrastructure allowed it to build a huge air force and virtually a limitless amount of ordnance during the Cold War. The B-52, which was originally designed for dropping nuclear weapons on Russia, was re-fitted for "conventional" warfare in Vietnam with devastating results. The U.S. dropped over one million tons of bombs on North Vietnam. South Vietnam, the primary battlefield of the war, had over four million tons of bombs dropped on it during the war. The amount of bombs dropped by the U.S. on South Vietnam, from the air war alone, was double the tonnage it used in all of the Second World War! Life was made unbearable in the South Vietnamese countryside. While it is probably an underestimate, the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Refugees reported the civilian casualties at 400,000 dead, 900,000 wounded and 6.4 million refugees by 1971. They concluded "that there is hardly a family n South Vietnam that has not suffered a death, injury or the anguish of abandoning an ancient homestead."

The Vietnamese people were subjected to the virulent racism of the occupying American army. The Vietnamese people were regularly referred to as "gooks," "slants" and "dinks" by American troops. It's important to remember that this racism started with the top brass. General Westmoreland believed that the "oriental doesn't value life in the same way as a westerner." While this could be dismissed as the casual bigotry of a son of a rich southern family, in other cases it bordered on the genocidal. Colonel George S. Patton III, son of the notorious Second World War general and a combat commander in Vietnam, sent out Christmas cards in 1968 which read: "From Colonel and Mrs. George S. Patton III-Peace on Earth." The attached Christmas cards contained photographs of Viet Cong soldiers dismembered and stacked in a pile. This racism worked its way down to the troops through basic training. As one combat veteran recalled basic training, "The only thing they told us about the Viet Cong was they were gooks. They were to be killed."

It was during search-and-destroy missions that the most direct contact took place between American soldiers, Vietnamese civilians and NLF supporters. For historian Christian Appy, "search and destroy was the principal tactic; and the enemy body count was the primary measure of progress" in Westmoreland's war of attrition. Search and destroy was coined as a phrase in 1965 to describe missions aimed at flushing the Viet Cong out of hiding, while the body count was the measuring stick for the success of any operation. Competitions were held between units for the highest number of Vietnamese killed in action, or KIAs. Army and marine officers knew that promotions were largely based on confirmed kills. The pressure to produce confirmed kills resulted in massive fraud. One study revealed that American commanders exaggerated body counts by 100 percent.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Asia/Vietnam_War_US_L...

...and these:

http://www.vietquoc.com/whylost.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/09/20/reviews/980920.20...
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:35 PM
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34. ahem.. watch the video clip I posted.. especially from about 4:10 in.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:54 PM
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35. Oh, you wanted me to watch a film clip of a factious story as support
..for your point, eh? It was precisely because the U.S. lost Vietnam that POWs like McCain could be brought home. Allowing McCain to become POTUS would be like giving Otto the job!

P.S. I have never seen "Fish Called Wanda" but I think I'll buy it now...:rotf:
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opiate69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:14 PM
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36. One of the funniest movies ever.. I highly recommend it..
And I'd almost rather have Otto than McSame!
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:39 PM
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9. Bankrupt their war machine by flooding them with prisoners???
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:43 PM
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11. What wars has he won??
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:45 PM
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12. If he knew how to win wars why didn't he tell *ss over this last 8 years
so we could have saved all those lives?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:46 PM
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13. That statement just begs questions
I can think of at least a dozen. I'm sure these ace reporters are at least as smart and as cynical as I am so they must have thought of a few. So why the fuck have they not asked?

Because they're pussies? That's the simple explanation and it's probably true in 75% of the cases. But you gotta believe that there's one reporter that has the spine to stand up and risk the wrath of this angry gnome by asking him how the fuck he knows how to win wars?


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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:53 PM
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14. He knows how to start wars and continue wars.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 04:53 PM by seasat
That's all the capabilities he's shown to me. Winning a war requires completion of the military activities. It requires diplomacy and knowledge of the area. McCain has no demonstrated skills in that department.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:54 PM
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15. why'd he retire from the Military then? He'd be much better suited
to staying in the military complex if he really did "know how to win wars"-

We aren't in need of a 'general' to lead the forces into battle. We're in need of a leader who can pull this country together and help us get back on our feet. To help us become a functioning, healthy society again, and to live successfully among the many other societies that make up this Earth.

McCain's not very good at helping people learn how to live in community with each other- or at seeing life from more than his myopic perspective. Obama is exceptionally gifted in that area, and that is part of what makes him so scary to those who use fear and intimidation to 'control' others. (but I know you know this FrenchieCat)

:hi:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:55 PM
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16. Yeah, he won that Viet Nam war singlehandedly, didn't he?
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 04:57 PM by Skidmore
Sadly, I've known men like McCain all my life, who went into the military as ne'er-do-wells and became so indoctrinated that the only way they could order their life was by using the miliatary code and the only way problem solve was to use aggression.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:56 PM
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19. He is a legend in his own mind!
and has rewritten history.

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:55 PM
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17. Then I guess, as a Senator for all those years, he should have shared
his plan for "how to win wars."
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:56 PM
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20. A Life Time of Bars, Blondes and Booze tells he noes just as much as Bush, maybe LESS
McHopeless doesn't have a Clue on winning shit
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:59 PM
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21. Hell, he doesn't even know how to win Presidential Elections.....
and I don't think he ever will.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:12 PM
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24. He is fighting his last war....commits the same mistakes most ole time generals make...
Oh well, we tried to show um but too late....
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:02 PM
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22. He knows how to win wars because he got shot down and spent time in a prison.
O yeah that makes sense. Senile old fuck!

Here's how he would win a war:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:10 PM
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23. Lately he whines like an obnoxious little brat, yada yada nya-nya
Have you heard him speak this way, and with his shit-eatin' pasty grin?

"Barawwk Obawwma wants you to inflaaate your tiiires...he so stooopid".

I just want to go over to his barbecue and kick his wrinkly ass.

Don't fuck with my little brother, John.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:20 PM
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28. Like Jan Brady?

"Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!"

Obama, Obama, Obama!"

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:21 PM
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29. LOL....that's her, er, him! nt
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:19 PM
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27. McCain is a sociopathic lunatic. He would be a worse President than
Bush. I never thought that could have been possible.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:01 AM
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45. I agree. mccain appears completely worthless to me.
(Which is why I'm sure he'll win. Won't get fooled again!)

He reverses himself on every issue, finally ending up on the side rejected by the majority of Americans. He makes constant mistakes of fact, then continues to make them after being repeatedly corrected, showing that he can no longer learn new facts. He says he is going to "learn to get online someday" (a recent survey revealed that 90% of American 9-year-olds have been online). He is mean, nasty old man who completely turns people off. This is America. How can he lose?

So, here's my prediction. mccain wins, and on Inauguration Day his approval rating is 45%. It drops from there into the 20s and 30s for the remainder of his single term, never once reaching 50%. People here and around the world will despise him just as much as they have come to despise bush. Sadly, nobody seems able to see this coming before we elect another Big Loser.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:21 PM
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31. McAsswipe won his 'war on poverty'
he was being a wise guy in the style the piggy unnerstans....the rest of us don't matter (we're supposed to complain that mccain is silly, his record proof of it, but bill frist, for example, or pj o'rorke/pat buchanan/tom wolfe/tom delay etc sure KNOWS exactly what mcsame means) and we thinking McSameasbushwackmeoverthefukkingheadagainjohnny is a dingbat, just gives his lil joke spice, nudgewink
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:25 PM
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32. He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn. nt
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:25 PM
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33. True...and the North Vietnamese Army thanks him for his contributions
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:34 PM
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38. Good one!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:31 PM
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37. That's true. And the rest of us know how to win the Powerball lottery.
Same difference.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:21 PM
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39. Sums it up nicely!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:26 PM
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40. Do you win by getting shot down and captured? Because that seems to lead your resume, John
I'm not seeing much else on there....

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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:17 AM
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43. And after 4 days give your captors what they want
“. . .two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not ‘name rank and serial number, or kill me’. as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of U.S. pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships.”

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:08 AM
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46. I thought that was called "failing your mission".
Apparently, being shot down and captured makes you a "hero" and show you have the Right Stuff to be president, while successfully completing your mission and returning to your base makes you just another anonymous pilot with no special presidential qualifications. (It's like the way Obama's huge popularity is considered to be a negative.)

Only in GOP La-La land (also known as America) could the delusional fans of this putrid little runt spin his total failure into success and get away with it. Try that in Europe! The Republicans are sure lucky that Americans are so STOOPID!
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:50 AM
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41. Shoes or no shoes he is still out of it.
Someone was saying some kind of rumor about Mrs. Obama and a $600 haircut or something. :shrug:

Like 2004, and Kerry's $1000 haircut (whether it was true or not or whether it was Edwards), it's kind of trivial compared to what is ultimately at stake.

McSame's war BS is much more worrisome than any shoes. A hundred years in Iraq? Help!
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:12 AM
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42. So TRUE! If he knows how to win wars, knows how to capture Osama, then why has he kept this
knowledge a secret from the Chimp? You'd think he cared about his country enough to share, right? Besides, you can't win an occupation.
:eyes:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:50 AM
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44. Why hasn't he used his knowledge yet to win any wars?
I'd like John McCain to name one war that he knew how to win.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:11 AM
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47. Well in all fairness, he does know how to start them....
RECKLESSLY that is.

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