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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:53 AM
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The Los Angeles Times asks what could be a campaign ending question



If McCain wins what is the family going to do with all of its family assets?





This is not like a mutual fund that can be put into a blind trust. Family members are employed all through the corporation. Even if some type of Alice in Wonderland Firewall were to be established the occupants in the White House would still know that their family's wealth is still directly tied to selling Beer - something that requires government licenses to run their business.


There are issues of the Government trying to reduce drinking, underage drinking, alcohol content, and marketing.

How about liability suits in the Judiciary.

It is shocking that no one has been asking these questions.

The election of Senator McCain would raise mammoth ethical issues - and the campaign has said that they refuse to consider the questions until after the Senator is elected President. Right now as Senator when these issues come up he recuses himself - how does a President 'recuse himself'?



An excellent article by the Los Angeles Times raises these questions for the first time:





LAT Brings up Issues about McCain Family Beer Distributor Lobbying the Bush Administration against Mothers against Drunk Driving (MADD)


Also Point to Severe Conflict of Interest should McCain win the Presidency.


Andrew McCain is active point man for company business interests.



Here is the link to the article

http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-hensley22-2008jun22,0,457384.story?track=rss

By Ralph Vartabedian
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

Here are some excerpts - headings are mine.


1) Hemsley & Co fights bitter battle against MADD:



The company has argued against such groups as Mothers Against Drunk Driving in fighting proposed federal rules that would require alcohol content information on every package of beer, wine and liquor.

Its executives, including McCain's son Andrew, have written at least 10 letters in recent years to the U.S. Treasury Department, have contributed tens of thousands of dollars to a beer industry political action committee and hold a seat on the board of the politically powerful National Beer Wholesalers Assn.

The company has also run afoul of health advocacy groups that have tried to rein in appeals to young drinkers. Hensley, for example, distributes caffeinated alcohol drinks that public health groups say put young and underage consumers at risk by disguising the effects of intoxication.


2) Election of McCain would create massive conflict of interest



Hensley, founded by Cindy McCain's late father, holds federal and state licenses to distribute beer and lobbies regulatory agencies on controversial alcohol issues that involve public health and safety.

The involvement of his wife and children in federal regulatory issues could create a conflict of interest for a future McCain administration, according to advocacy groups and political analysts. McCain has recused himself for many years on alcohol issues in the Senate, recognizing the potential conflict. As president, however, McCain would face far more difficulty distancing himself from an issue with such broad scope.

Cindy McCain holds the title of chairwoman in the company and controls about 68% of the privately held company stock with her children and the senator's son, according to records at the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control. Cindy and John McCain keep their finances separate, and he has no interest or role in Hensley.

In an interview in May, she said she "knows everything that is going on," communicating with her executive team every day. She added that she does not need to be physically at the company headquarters to be in charge. So far, she has given no hint of what changes, if any, she envisions in the future.




3) McCain Campaign refuses to look at issue until after they are elected


If her husband is elected president and she retains her current role at Hensley, she would set a precedent for outside corporate activity by a first lady.

The McCain campaign Friday issued a statement about the issue saying that "any decisions going forward will be made when John McCain wins the election and takes office, and not before."
Hensley executives declined to comment on the matter. Political analysts said they are astounded that the presumptive Republican nominee has not already addressed the issue.

"You can't run a beer company out of the White House," said Samuel Popkin, a political science professor at UC San Diego. "You can't run any company from the White House. McCain is leaving a live hand grenade on the table, a major embarrassment."






The President of the United States is going to be married to a major player in the Beer Industry which the Federal Government has considerable power over, and the campaign is stating that will take place when "McCain wins the election and not before".

Does the McCain campaign actually think that they can get away with this. It certainly will make an excellent question for the debates.

I wonder how all of those conservative Southern Baptists think about the First Lady presiding over a Beer Empire while sitting in the White House?

The Los Angeles Times may have just asked a campaign ending question.


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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:09 AM
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1. Excellent - it's about time, and this could be..
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 03:10 AM by Kittycat
A talking point our lame media might actually want to run with.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:11 AM
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2. look what happened with two oil men in the white house
astronomical gas prices and oil profits, a war with a major oil producer.
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zytime Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:29 AM
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7. So what you're saying is...
a McCain presidency means the end of 25 cent pitcher nights, and the beginning of war with Ireland, Canada, and Australia for control of the Guinness, Labatts, and Foster's supplies?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:52 AM
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12. They still have 25 cent pitcher nights?
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zytime Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:28 PM
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38. If you hit the right college towns
you can still find them occasionally.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:01 PM
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39. gotta be $5 by now.
if there is a place where they have quarter pitchers, i want to take my next vacation there.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:12 AM
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3. I'd like to know what they lobbied for.
I'm sure that they wanted to do things that cross the line for soccer moms.

This should be interesting.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:22 AM
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4. They lobbied against stricter alcohol content lableing, especially on caffienated
alcohol drinks.

The restrictions are very common sense and this won't make Mrs. McSame and the littler McSames in high places look good to the average voter. to them, Mrs. McSame lobbied against MADD, period.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:23 AM
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5. If you read the link one of the key points was to change packaging and labelling
for bottles so people could immediate see the total amount of alcohol that they were consuming.

Andrew McCain - yes that Andrew McCain wrote atleast 10 letters to Federal Officials lobbying them on these issues.

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:28 AM
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6. I saw that but I would think one story hasn't caught everything.
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 03:33 AM by dkf
This should be interesting.

I wonder if there are other aspects, not just the alcohol angle, but general business practices.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:42 AM
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8. Off-topic, but about the second pic--WTF is going on with their hands?
It appears that McSame has the Crypt-Keeper's hands with a fresh French manicure and long nails, and hers is pudgy and unhealthy.

I've been staring at it for a while (still jet-lagged and good sleep is a struggle) and I just don't get it. Anyone else notice this?

If it's a digital edit it's a very, very good one.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:09 AM
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9. He can't raise his arms any highter.
She is holding her hand up higher than he is able to reach due to his injuries from Vietnam.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:55 AM
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50. Those big-ass shoulder pads he's so fond of don't help ...
they also seem to draw focus to it (his limited reach). I'm pretty sure it's intentional - money isn't a factor for their tailoring needs.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:32 PM
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30. He's trying to control Cindy's "Sieg Heil"
she can't help it.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:10 AM
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10. Every liberal invited on TV should highlight this question and boldy.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:55 AM
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14. maybe that should be our next Activist effort.
Send this question to the media,en masse.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:00 AM
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17. good idea
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:32 AM
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11. He'll Halliburtonize it to take over all US beer production
And the press won't care before or after. Sorry for the pessimism, but those bastards are getting me down.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:54 AM
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13. And Budweiser is owned by a foreign interest now?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:07 AM
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18. good point
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:11 PM
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40. Cindy reportedly made millions on the deal; she owns a fair chunk of A/B stock. nt
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:00 AM
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15. Best quote: "You can't run a beer company out of the White House.
You can't run any company out of the White House." The TV talking heads don't care, though. They're interested in what McShithead has to say about the race card and his Britney ad.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:55 AM
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16. and of course you can run a beer company from the White House

Bush has been running a fraternity from there for 8 years.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:10 AM
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19. LOL!
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Skratchez Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:48 AM
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54. I think you were confusing
consumption with production. Mrs. McLame is the one holding the beer bong... not drinking from it. And I'm pretty sure John isn't allowed to anymore, it interferes with his medication.

On a totally unrelated note: http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=17940691
I've been wanting to post that all day, just found out about this horribly fascist new site, thought I'd turn it on it's head.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:12 AM
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20. what if moveon worked with MADD to make a reallllly powerful ad?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:49 PM
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32. good idea - even better if MADD folks go viral with it
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DemocracyInaction Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:13 AM
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21. Story has been around for months and no one cares
No, it's not the thing that makes McCain implode. No one cares just like they didn't care about Bush and Cheney and the oil connection when they ran. It's the last thing the media will take up because they are now if full mode to put the old bastard in the White House (as is corporate America) and because seeing how close they can come to doing a wink-wink on the "N" word is taking all their time. Amurekans don't "do" news with any intelligence behind it, you know..........
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:39 PM
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26. really first I have seen it here
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:21 AM
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22. Crap! What an image for the, puke,
First Couple..eee gods.

Spare this Nation.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:27 PM
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37. think of the buyer's remorse if they should win
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:40 AM
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23. Doesn't the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 require that the first family...
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 11:45 AM by MilesColtrane
...liquidate their assets and place them into a blind trust? (exemptions for some real estate)

I'm pretty sure every President since Lyndon Johnson has done this.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:47 PM
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24. excellent queston do you have any details?
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:31 PM
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29. Spent 15 minutes on the Cornell Law Library site,...
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 04:32 PM by MilesColtrane
..and the Office of Government Ethics site googlizing, and came up empty handed.

Lots of info about the financial disclosure provisions of the Ethics in Government Act, and the particular part that created the Office of Independent Counsel.

Can't even find the text under the U.S. Code, but I DO think the Presidential blind trust is law. (just as it is for Senators. This is the law Bill Frist broke was accused of breaking a couple of years ago.)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:37 PM
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31. wikipedia had this
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:57 PM
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33. Upon rereading this, it appears that executing a blind trust may only be "an option" for...
...a President, one that was codified by the EGA and regulated by the Office of Government Ethics.

I can't be sure without finding and reading the actual text of the act.

http://www.legalaffairs.org/issues/January-February-2006/toa_costa_janfeb06.msp




President Lyndon B. Johnson is generally credited with being the first elected U.S. official to execute a blind trust. When Johnson took office in 1963, concerns were raised about his family's ownership of KTBC, a radio and television station in Austin, Tex., that was the cornerstone of the family's wealth. Johnson's staff urged him to sell the station, but for sentimental and financial reasons the president and the first lady were reluctant to part with it. Lady Bird Johnson had bought KTBC in 1943, and the shares were in her name.

The task of finding a solution fell to Sheldon Cohen, then a 36-year-old tax partner at Arnold, Fortas & Porter, the law firm co-founded by Abe Fortas, a Johnson confidant. During the Kennedy Administration, Cohen had created the first ever blind trusts for several cabinet undersecretaries, including a State Department official who owned shares in Latin American business interests. For the Johnsons, Cohen devised a blind trust based on the standard grantor trust, under which the owner still owns the assets and can revoke the instrument at any time. In 1964, Johnson appointed Cohen commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service.

Under the terms of the trust document, Lady Bird Johnson temporarily transferred control of her shares of KTCB to two Texas lawyers who were old family friends. She gave the trustees complete discretion over the shares, including the right to sell them, though they didn't. (Cohen says that if there was any unstated agreement by the lawyers not to sell the shares, he wasn't aware of it.) The Johnsons kept direct control only of the family ranch, some additional property in Texas, and an undisclosed amount of tax-free municipal bonds.

LYNDON JOHNSON ESTABLISHED A PRECEDENT that his successors have generally followed. But it wasn't until 1978 and the passage of the Ethics in Government Act that blind trusts were formally introduced as an option for officials in the executive branch looking to sidestep potential conflicts of interest. The act said that trustees must be independent of the official and that assets transferred into the trust must be free of restrictions on their sale or transfer. It further stipulated that the official was to receive no information from the trustee, apart from quarterly updates on the cash value and net income or loss of the trust and any other data the official might need to complete his tax returns. To enforce these and other rules, the act created the Office of Government Ethics, now an independent federal agency.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:16 PM
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34. well actually its up to the McCain campaign to explain how they are going to do this
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:23 PM
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25. People are asleep
Beer hypocrisy with the Religious Right and the GOP is nothing new. Pete Coors' wife Marilyn sits on the board of Pat Robertson's Regent University. If you work for Pat, you aren't even allowed to own alcohol in your own home, let alone drink it. Take my word for it, I once lived literally down the street from Pat for 7 years.

This will zero net effect on waking people up.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:46 PM
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27. K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:35 PM
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35. haven't seen you around for a while mademoiselle
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:46 AM
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56. I've been around
Sometimes I'm just too POed to post, sometimes I just don't have the words, and sometimes I'm busy working so I barely get to read. But I'm here. :hi:
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 03:01 PM
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28. K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 06:58 PM
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36. tks rndmprson
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:47 PM
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41. Excellent question, LAT!
Thanks for posting this - K&R!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:49 PM
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42. thanks AZBlue
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:53 PM
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43. k&r but i thought bud was sold to in-bev (company from another country)
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 10:57 PM by orleans
so how do mccains still own this?

i'm so confused!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:19 PM
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46. Budweiser is the national company - Hemsleys own one of the largest locally
owned distributorships.

All major beaverages, like Coke Pepsi and Bud were built up from a combination of company owned distribution operations and large locally owned local distributors.

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:54 PM
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44. S C A R Y . . . . M A R Y
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:13 PM
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45. My Letter to the Editor to the San Francisco Chronicle
Dear Editor,

John McCain's family fortune comes from his second wife, Cindy, who is a beer baroness. Her company, Hemsley & Co., has lobbied against Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

You can't run a beer company out of the White House. What are John and Cindy McCain planning to do about this?

Quick, easy, short, and cheap.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:57 AM
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52. good letter thanks
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kurtboss Donating Member (361 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 11:21 PM
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47. Good Article
We should use this. I fear there is no money or organization that is setup to do so however. :(
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:17 AM
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48. K and R'd....
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:01 PM
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58. thanks
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:20 AM
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49. Timing- Timing - Timing, announce too soon? and it's gone with the wind...
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:56 AM
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51. Yeah, conflict of interest. Big issue. K & R
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RNdaSilva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:08 AM
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53. Boost...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 02:54 AM
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55. Bout time he started getting some heat for this stuff
Thanks LA times!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 11:50 AM
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57. yup
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