Best VP pick for Obama? Hillary Clinton

I know Obama is going to pick Evan Bayh, which is a supreme disappointment to me. Of all the mentioned potential VP's, it's not even a close contest. Hillary Clinton stands out clearly. I was one of those who was against this idea of pairing Obama and Clinton on the same ticket, but now it makes sense more than ever. Hillary brings immediate excitement to the ticket -- media presence, smarts, a hard-hitting surrogate, a good coalition of the Democratic party, party unity, etc.


I hope to God that Obama doesn't pick Evan Bayh on Wednesday, but all indications from local sources point to Bayh.


Read this column by Doris Kearns Goodwin in the New York Times -- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/opinion/03goodwin.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=opinion. It makes a solid case for Obama's VP choice.

Or can you "not reveal your sources"

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Please no! I'm so tired of disappointments. Obama picking Clinton or Clark would really boost my spirits. But then, it's clear most politicians don't give a rat's ass what I think. Ever. :cry:

and now it is for sure Bayh. If it is Bayh we lose a Senate seat and still don't win Indiana although Obama does poll surprising well in this very red state.

As long as it is not Hillary.

so it matters a great deal to this gay man.

...but neither should he pick a homophobic bigot.

I don't think it's going to be Kaine, but I don't think he'd be a bad choice.

Try Huff or KOS, I'm sure it'll go equally well there too.

:eyes:

suggests GOP.

Do I need to provide links?


Valor Theft

Not a Muslim, as far as I know......

McCain has passed the CIC test but you will need to ask the Obama campaign....




the list goes on and on.


Hillary disqualified herself. The best thing for this party is to stop dividing it with insane suggestions that she is a possible VP.

Time to really want to win.

I can't find much in the Indianapolis STAR, the Lafayette JOURNAL & COURIER, or other Indiana sites.

Could it be that Bayh is NOT the choice, but like Kaine, is getting celebrity uplift to solidify the party, to energize their states' apparatus in Democrats' favor, etc. We could pick up a Senate seat in Virginia, for instance, and maybe the governor's chair in Indiana.

Either Kaine or Bayh might be the pick, but just for fun, what if neither is the pick?

There's a possibility that Obama's appearances with these folks signals that he wants the on board but that he has made another choice for the ticket. Perhaps Cabinet positions were discussed.

O well. Just thinking outloud.

while taking away any McLoser talking points about military service and his war hero status. The only time a presidential nominee and his vice president can have either no military experience, limited military experience, or suspect military experience and win an election is when they're double-standard hypocrite republicans.

I know it's coming, because this person trolls on ALL Clinton VP threads (nobody who has posted yet, by the way).

"I think you'll be able to imagine many things
Senator McCain will be able to say. He’s never
been the president, but he will put forth his
lifetime of experience. I will put forth my
lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put
forth a speech he made in 2002."

-- Hillary Clinton, March 1, 2008

enough of this nonsense VP propaganda! It's nice to have 1-2 threads where we can discuss who we would like as VP, but having 5 threads everyday of "Kaine will be announced on Monday!" or "Bayh on Wednesday!" is really annoying.

I dont know about you guys, but I'm voting for Obama even if he picks a loaf of bread as his VP. I will never vote for McCain.

NT!

and so apparently is reason.

and as we now see more than ever Bill will be a problem..

With a husband like Bill, who needs enemies?

From the Washington Post, as quoted on Huffpost:
In a session that lasted more than 45 minutes, Clinton described his role in the 2008 campaign as "a privilege, an honor," and said, "I loved it," but he declined to discuss any of his own possible mistakes, describing them as a distraction. "Next year, you and I and everybody else will be freer and have more space to say what we believe to be the truth" about the primaries, he said.

Clinton volunteered very little praise of Obama, beyond describing him as "smart" and "a good politician" when asked about him toward the end of the interview. He did, however, muse at length about the role that race could play in the general election -- the issue that some of his former black allies angrily accused him of introducing in the Democratic primaries -- as a factor, if not a decisive one.

with a Iraq..a strategic blunder.. Really Big DUH!

ProSense (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-03-08 08:31 PM
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"Democratic Party 2008 platform to call decision to go to war with Iraq a "strategic blunder"

Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 08:32 PM by ProSense
Democrats label Iraq 'strategic blunder'
Posted: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:28 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ’s Matthew Berger

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Democratic Party will formally call the decision to go to war with Iraq a “strategic blunder” in its 2008 platform, according to a draft debated Saturday. The party also included language on Iraq withdrawal echoed by its presumptive nomine, Barack Obama, as it expressed a desire to “be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in.”

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A drafting committee unveiled the 44-page platform for the national party, encompassing both traditional Democratic values and the plans unveiled by Obama.

The party’s draft differs from four years ago on Iraq, when it said “people of good will disagree about whether America should have gone to war in Iraq.” This time, reflecting a shift in American public opinion, the committee hopes to emphasize that “Iraq was a diversion from the fight against the terrorists who struck us on 9-11” while reiterating complaints about the war’s execution. It also echoes Obama’s calls to remove one to two military brigades each month.

“I think the facts are clear now,” Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, drafting committee chair, said after the hearing. “People of good will could disagree with the facts, but as clear as they are now, the facts are manifest that it was a blunder.”

The language on Iraq is consistent with Obama’s position, and is significant for a party that includes many leaders who initially backed the war in Congress. While some, including former Sen. John Edwards, have called the initial support a mistake, others, like Sen. Hillary Clinton, have said the error was largely in the war’s execution.

more
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6581667

Out of the three everyone talks about now: Biden, Bayh, and Kaine the only good one is Biden. Either way he sure did pass up a lot of spectacular options this time around :(

in fact bayh or Clinton are about the only picks he can make that will dampen my enthusiasm for him

I want the strongest possible ticket in November. And that means an alliance between the two strongest primary candidates.

Someone who can think on his/her feet and respond immediately to any GOP attacks, and better yet, be out ahead of them.

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I'm not sure who your candidate was, but whoever it was, they LOST. Lieberman is not Obama's mentor - as I'm sure you know. The primaries are over - time to get behind the presumtive nominee, don't you think?

....from Republicans who will turn out in record crowds for the opportunity to vote against her.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

Bill, too?

Are you among the ones who want us to lose so that you can continue to nurse your hatred of the Clintons?

And we need someone to fuck McCain over.

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Would motivate the very RW voters that McCain is having trouble connecting with. I respectfully disagree for that reason only.

I hated it before but since Obama clearly has not shown he can handle these bullshit attacks, he needs a pitbull of his own.. it could backfire though, especially if the Republicans start treating her as the candidate and not him, which will diminish him even further...

All the groups that obama does not get she will and it unites the Democractic Party for once.
This should be the party's year but it is looking like he will lose by picking a bad VP.

Obama like he sabotaged Hillary.

Besides, why would Obama be stupid enough to allow mcLame to easily prove clinton a liar by playing the Tuzla video, or by bringing up her very pro-NAFTA meetings -- or her endorsement of him over Obama regarding foreign policy?

She's never going to see the inside of the White House again, unless it's on a tour.

Tuzla: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/nobel-winner-hillarys-n_n_90505.html

SCHIP: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

VP slot.

I suppose she would have to accept it, or at least consider it, if offered, since she is on record as stating she'll do "whatever" to help him win the GE.

But it really makes little sense for her, politically. She has much more of a voice a NY Senator, than VP.

Some of you people are starting to make me sick!!!!! You expect everyone to line up behind our presumptive nominee, but have zero respect for a woman who has accomplished much more in her life than Obama has done so far.

Your total lack of respect for her is beyond the pale. You all talk about unity and how dare some not see the light and vote for Obama. Meantime, you have spent the last two months pissing and moaning that the Clintons are not doing enough for Obama. Excuse me????? Bill Clinton is the only twice elected Democratic president since FDR, and was a very successful president at that. Hillary is a former first lady and a US senator with almost 8 years of service under her belt. They don't owe Obama a blessed thing!!!

Having said that, Hillary is doing all she can to persuade her top donors and supporters to now support Obama. She has appeared separate and jointly with him at various events and will campaign as much as she's being asked. Bill already has said that he will campaign if he's asked to do so.

What the hell more do some of you want from them???

He has more years in elected office than she does.
He also had the skill to beat her in the primaries.

He was a state senator who passed all his bills in his last year thanks to Emil Jones. Yes, he ran a good campaign, but lost most of the primaries after February when the media finally started vetting him. Yes, she has accomplished more than him, but he's the nominee and that's that.

It's a guarantee you're going to get hit.

That kind of help, Barack really, really doesn't need.

Actually, there are only a couple of choices that could be worse: Al Sharpton and Larry Craig.