McCain's dilemma: What if Obama picks Hillary?

rhombus

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:38 PM
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McCain's dilemma: What if Obama picks Hillary?

Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 07:39 PM by rhombus

Is McCain going to be forced to go for a wink wink GOP "diversity" veep?

Thoughts?

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Ian David

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:39 PM
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1. I'm still betting that Chuck Norris has picked McCain as his running mate. n/t

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sfam

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:40 PM
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2. Dilemmas are supposed to be about things that might happen, right?

Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 07:40 PM by sfam

If that's the case, I don't see McCain wasting too much time worrying about it. Take a look at Bill's latest interview - Hillary is NOT on the short list.

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rocktivity

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:42 PM
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3. Why? Is HE planning to pick her?

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elizm

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:43 PM
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4. No. nt

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Skink

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:43 PM
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5. Carly Fiorina offsets a Hillary pick.

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jenmito

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:46 PM
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6. Obama should not and will not pick Hillary, so don't "worry." n/t

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Tue Aug-05-08 07:55 PM
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scheming daemons

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:19 PM
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8. dilemma? That's McCain's wet dream.....

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JoFerret

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:47 PM
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9. Folks - stop fighting the primary/ start working for victory

We need Obama to win.
That will take all of us.
Stop picking Hillary scabs.
She is a great democrat and would have made a great presidential candidate and president.
But Obama is the candidate. Like it or not.
Stop trashing Hillary.
She would make a great pick for VP.
It may not happen.
She will still be an incredible force in democratic politics for the good of the country in whatever role she has going forward.
Get out there and do the best we can to ensure a democratic victory in November.
So what if Obama is not the best candidate in your view.
He's the one we have.
And he damned good.
And we need him to win.

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writes3000

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:51 PM
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11. I love this post! Agree 200%! I may copy it if you don't mind. n/t

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IndianaGreen

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:50 PM
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10. It doesn't matter! McCain will continue to be the nasty asshole we have seen on the trail

McCain is a misogynist former member of Tailhook Association.

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AllentownJake

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:52 PM
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12. Why do Hillary supporter want her as VP so bad?

Seriously its a meaningless post and she's much more powerful in the Senate and in the Senate she can write the health care plan.

I would not want Barack to be the VP if things were reversed.

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writes3000

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:55 PM
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13. 1) It's history making. 2) Cheney proved it can be otherwise.

3) I think many feel she deserves it if she wants it.

4) I'm sure some believe Obama needs her counsel.

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AllentownJake

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:02 PM
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15. Point by point refute

Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 09:03 PM by Jake3463

1) It's not that history making see Mondale in 1984 (Hillary is 10X the person that Geraldine was but its not something the party has done in the past)
2) Bush needs Cheney to carry him because well he's kind of stupid...Barack can carry himself, say what you want he's not a dumbass and his VP will not have Cheney powers or stature
3) Nobody is entitled to either the Vice Presidency or the Presidency
4) Obama has her counsel anytime he wants it or needs it and I'm sure he'll use it when the Healthcare bill comes to congress and she's actually a better ally there as the sponsor of the bill than in the Naval Observatory.

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JoFerret

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:03 PM
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16. Because she's a damned good politician and democrat

and it's a matter of respect.

Same if the tables were turned.

Is it the best job for her? Probably not.
Are there other great ways for her to make a contribution? Absolutely.
Are there other great candidates for VP? For sure.

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AllentownJake

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:06 PM
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18. Wasn't saying she wasn't

However the Vice Presidency is a way to excuse the expression neuter someone.

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Beacool

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:45 PM
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20. Because it's a step closer to the WH

and a sure bet to run for president in the future.

Also, because she won half of the votes and almost as many PD, we never had a primary that was this close. Either one has won the right to be on each other's ticket.

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AllentownJake

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Tue Aug-05-08 11:53 PM
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26. Most VPs don't become President unless something happens

Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 11:54 PM by Jake3463

There has only been one VP that was elected and served in the past 74 years that didn't involve something tragically happening after the two terms of their President.

The VPs that were elected after two terms are Bush I, Hoover, and Taft...all had miserable Presidencies and left after their first term by the will of the people.

Nixon was elected in 1968 8 years after losing in 1960.

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SuperTrouper

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Wed Aug-06-08 02:13 PM
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28. You forgot Gore, he actually beat Bush43. Election was stolen

by RNC Machine

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Hippo_Tron

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Wed Aug-06-08 02:45 PM
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30. Taft was Secretary of War and Hoover was Secretary of Commerce

The last time before Bush I that a sitting VP was elected was Martin Van Buren in 1836.

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RBInMaine

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Tue Aug-05-08 08:57 PM
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14. No dilmma, and he won't pick her. It'll be Kaine or Bayh, and rightly so.

Reality is reality. We need a white male moderate. Kaine is the best choice. Bayh is second best.
Why? Because Hillary brings nothing to the ticket (no NEW constituencies, no red territory,etc.) and she brings too much of the bad baggage. A white male moderate helps expand the map and into constituencies we need to win: i.e. more working class whites, more white males, more red states, more moderate indys, etc. THINK OUTSIDE THE FAR LEFT BOX AND ASK YOURSELF WHY WE HAVE LOST AGAIN AND AGAIN: because we have been too ideologically narrow to win nationally. Clinton won because he was a moderate. Get the picture??

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Arnold Judas Rimmer

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:14 PM
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19. Clinton won with 43% of the vote in a three way split, after 12 years of Bush in the White House

Not exactly a landslide of historic proportions. And certainly not the best example to push the myth of "centrism".

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JoFerret

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:49 PM
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22. Try some stewed rhubarb with the kipper

...keeps the blood purified.

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Arnold Judas Rimmer

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Tue Aug-05-08 10:10 PM
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24. Hot peppers work better. And taste better too

And even Hillary agrees with me there. She said so on 60 Minutes a while back.

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JVS

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:05 PM
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17. Then McCain can go sit in a comfy chair and wait for his landslide win

Because such a stupid move would be sure to energize his currently not very cohesive base

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JoFerret

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:47 PM
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21. A diversity vp would be

a white male under 65.

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Arnold Judas Rimmer

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Tue Aug-05-08 10:11 PM
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25. Shit, that lets out Mick Jagger

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AtomicKitten

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Tue Aug-05-08 09:59 PM
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23. I think McBush is delving into identity politics as an ace up his sleeve

Edited on Tue Aug-05-08 10:52 PM by AtomicKitten

which is a sad commentary on how the Republicans view minorities.

Adding Clinton to the ticket would open Pandora's Box that really has very little to do with identity politics. I realized that her campaign had very little to do with feminism when her camp put forth the badly veiled admonition that if Barack doesn't pick her, he can't choose another woman.

Barack has already stated quite clearly the kind of VP he is looking for and why. He seems to appreciate a certain amount of zen in his campaign. I suspect his choice will be someone whom he feels comfortable with first and foremost.

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JoFerret

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Wed Aug-06-08 02:09 PM
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27. I'd put money on that proposition.

Makes sense.

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JackORoses

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Wed Aug-06-08 02:40 PM
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29. my thought is you have an unhealthy obsession with Hillary

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