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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:32 PM
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A potentially misleading article about Obama
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 09:30 PM by crimsonblue
I just read an article by Thomas Edsall, concern trolling about Obama's supposed "problem" in Pennsylvania. Apparently, Pennsylvania is only "leaning" Dem, even though Obama has a more than 9% lead according to the article's own polling source. Furthermore, the article distorts (at least on my computer) the polling graph from the website in order to make it appear that McCain actually has a lead.

From the "article" :
But Callahan is not a lock for Obama: "I'm just tried of seeing so much of him, he's started to turn me off. I'm kind of burned out; it's as if they already wrote him into office."

Callahan could be a fluke, and interviews with some 40 voters here, in surrounding suburbs, and in Reading, Pa., all suggest that Obama is positioned to win Pennsylvania and its 21 Electoral College votes by a narrow margin.

Obama's Pennsylvania Problem


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I emailed Mr Edsall, and he responded very timely. After his explanations and reasoning, I feel sufficiently convinced that he wasn't purposely misleading in his article. I've changed the OP title as a result.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:40 PM
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1. There is undoubtedly a certain segment of the population that Obama will always have trouble with...
And PA is one prime location of that segment.

That said, PA is still a lock, overall, unless something catastrophic happens.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:51 PM
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4. Agreed.
But I see no problem in believing it isn't a lock.

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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:44 PM
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2. This is the real graph from pollster.com


http://www.pollster.com/polls/pa/08-pa-pres-ge-mvo.php

The one use in the HuffPro article has been cut off distorting it completely.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:49 PM
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3. From further inspectionm
It looks like the picture in the article has been purposely doubled in size. Halfing the page size will make it all appear... Pretty sneaky trick, IMO.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:51 PM
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5. The image is simply too wide for the page layout
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:54 PM
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6. then why not shrink it before putting it on the page?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 08:58 PM
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7. thomas edsall is a real pug shill:
Eric Alterman at his relocated-to-Media-Matters Altercation site linked today to this article: Seeing Red: A Response to George Will by Thomas Edsall New Republic Online 09/25/06.

Alterman directs the comment to Howie Kurtz: "And as it happens, Edsall is hardly a liberal, bub. Just ask (or read) him.) "

I've thought just that ever since I read Edsall's book Chain Reaction: The Impact of Race, Rights, and Taxes on American Politics (1991). Yet we keep seeing him referenced as a liberal.

The piece he linked has Edsall complaning indignantly that George Will had called him a liberal. Among other things, Edsall confidently asserts, "the elite of the Democratic Party is as far from the ideological center as are the moralists of the Christian right"

Is he talking about the Democratic Party in the United States?

http://journals.aol.com/bmiller224/OldHickorysWeblog/entries/2006/09/25/can-everyone-stop-calling-thomas-edsall-a-liberal-now/4145
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ObamaIL Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:01 PM
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8. Yeah Edsall Sucks Big Time
I trust him not at all.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 09:11 PM
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9. a personal account -
I have found that this isn't a false concern in my state, that there are
DEMS who aren't going to vote at all for pres.

A close friend's mom said she and the rest of the family weren't voting for
Obama.

Reasons:
1st one - "Because he's black".
2nd one - "He didn't win, he was put in there"
3rd one - "She had more votes than he did."
4th one - "I don't believe any of them will end the war"

Remember, there are still alot of people who get their news ONLY from television,and or
NPR and we know that those outlets are highly manipulated, even if those viewers don't.

*These views above do NOT reflect my views in any way.
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