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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:22 PM
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Democratic VP nominees since 1960--who do you think actually helped the ticket the most?
1960: Lyndon Johnson
1964: Hubert Humphrey
1968: Edmund Muskie
1972: Sargent Shriver (replaced Tom Eagleton)
1976: Walter Mondale
1980: Walter Mondale
1984: Geraldine Ferarro
1988: Lloyd Bentsen
1992: Al Gore
1996: Al Gore
2000: Joe Lieberman
2004: John Edwards
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:31 PM
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1. Johnson, Muskie, Bentsen and Gore.
I would say Johnson and Gore helped the most, but all four were good choices.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:47 PM
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5. I think Mondale was also a solid pick for Jimmy. A lot of liberals in '76 weren't quite sure about
Carter and Mondale helped Carter among liberals and organized labor.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:50 PM
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8. He was decent - he capitalized on Dole's implosion in the VP debate.
But Mondale had no charisma to speak of and was such a bad candidate when running in his own right that if not for Carter, we'd be going "Walter who?".
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:51 AM
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17. Mondale carried Minnesota and Wisconsin for Carter.
Only two states west of the Mississippi and north of the Mason-Dixon Line went to Cater, Wisconsin and Minnesota (states that border one another). Without both those states, say hello to a Ford reelection!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:08 AM
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18. Carter would've won without Minnesota and Wisconsin.
"Without both those states, say hello to a Ford reelection!"

Wrong.

The final EV total was:

Carter 297
Ford 240

Minus Minnesota's 10 EVs and Wisconsin's 11 (using 1976 numbers), the total would've looked like this:

Carter 276
Ford 261

Carter still would've won.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:31 PM
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2. Not Joe Lieberman;
And that's why I'm not sweating who Obama'll pick: it can't possibly be THAT bad.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:48 PM
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6. Nope, Joe was trhe 2nd most valuable.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:53 PM
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10. .
Edited on Wed Aug-06-08 11:54 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:49 AM
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16. Lieberman was a factor in the election being close enough to steal;
I'm certain a major part of Nader's vote total resulted from people turned off by someone who seemed little different from Bush (and, of course, events showed this perception to be accurate). He served as Exhibit A in Nader's contention that there was no great difference between the two parties.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:42 PM
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3. Johnson.
Kennedy was NOT popular in the south. They went to the convention expecting Johnson to be the nominee, and if Kennedy hadn't picked Johnson as his running mate, he would never have won.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:46 PM
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4. Johnson. Maybe Gore.
We didn't win any of the other races.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:49 PM
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7. Johnson and Gore.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:51 PM
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9. Johnson but that was back in the political machine days
The southern machine wouldn't mobilize for Kennedy without Johnson's help. These days political machines don't exist like they used to and what is left of them is far more national than local. Vice Presidential candidates aren't needed to mobilize the machinery anymore.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-08 11:57 PM
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11. Johnson and Lieberman
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 12:05 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
The two closest election of the last century and both won by key VP choices.

Kennedy doesn't win without the solid south and Texas. Johnson helped throughout the south and carried Texas. (LBJ campaigned a lot in Texas and was very good at it.)

Gore doesn't win without Florida. When the state with the second largest Jewish population is won by a fraction of a percent by the side with the first Jew on a national ticket it's loopy not to attribute that to Lieberman.
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:01 AM
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12. I was thinking the same thing about Lieberman, but was too afraid to post it here. (nt)
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:02 AM
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13. Joe is a total prick, but the fact is he probably did help in 2000
in Florida.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:12 AM
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14. The VP pick was Gore's best press of the whole campaign
I thought Lieberman was an asshole at the time, but it was universally hailed as a good pick so I figured it was good politics.

I wasn't surprised by how Joe turned out, though. If he would shank Clinton he would shank America.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 12:17 AM
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15. I think Lieberman had no effect on the ticket - he blew the VP debate.
Yes, he criticized Clinton and was Jewish, which likely helped, but I think any positives were offset by his poor debate performance.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 01:12 AM
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19. Gore Johnson
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