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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:02 PM
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If the rumors about Clinton's speech are true - I actually hope Hillary is the VP
Of course, I would want a whole host of other candidates instead of her, but a Bayh selection would be disastrous. He brings nothing to the table that any of the others can't bring a more sizable quantity with a lot more charisma and attack-dog mentality. He can't and won't bring his own state into play and doesn't provide any muscle to impact the rest of the electoral map.

A Bayh selection is a sure fire recipe for a loss, which makes me wonder if this is being forced upon Obama in order to cut-off a convention fiasco even bigger than the one we are already facing.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:08 PM
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1. If Obama lets Hill be forced on him then he should step down as nominee.
Hill would be a disaster and I am sick of her blackmailing the entire Dem party. If Obama can not stand up to the Clintons now he will never ever be President. He may have the title but Bill and Hill will be dealing over his head 100%.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:10 PM
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2. How do you know she is being forced on him?
Maybe he actually wants her to be his VP?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:14 PM
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6. ahahaahahahahahahahaah!!!
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:15 PM
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7. OK?
Right.
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:18 PM
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12. I have no idea. Unlike others, I don't claim to know what Obama is thinking. nt
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:18 PM
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10. She's being forced upon him like Off Shore Drilling was forced upon him.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:21 PM
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14. He'd do fine to grow a little backbone under that jacket. n/t
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:13 PM
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5. I don't disagree - but heading off a convention disaster would probably take priority
I can imagine what the Republicans would pull in the event of a convention fiasco with Hillary leading the charge. It would destroy our chances this cycle and set us back to where I don't think the party would recover.

I don't want it - but if I'm faced with the same scenario, I would take her along with me. It sounds more and more like Obama may be having to broker something behind the scenes to head this off.
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:11 PM
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3. There aren't many super exciting people I've heard of.
But I do want somebody with some name recognition. I like Clinton or Clark. Of course its too much to dream about somebody like Kucinich, which is what I really want.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:11 PM
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4. I'm not following your stream of consciousness -
I'm not making the connection between a WJC speech and hoping Hillary is the VP (since you would prefer others in that slot). What am I missing here?
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:16 PM
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9. Sorry for my assumption - MSNBC reported that Bill is giving his speech preceding the VP speech
Which is leading to speculation that it could mean Hillary is the VP or a Clinton connected person could be the VP candidate.

It's rumor at this point, so I acknowledge that its not set in stone. But it is interesting and doesn't take much imagination to connect the dots given what we have seen over the past few months.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:28 PM
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17. But what I'm still missing (hitting my own forehead with my palm)
is the jump to preferring another candidate, to "hoping it's Hillary" if Bill gives this speech.

If it's really obvious and I'm just not getting it, really, don't bother trying to enlighten me. Sometimes I just DON'T GET IT. And it's my fault, not the poster's. hi:
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:33 PM
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19. Haha, it's ok
There's also speculation that if it isn't Hillary, they may have brokered a deal to put a close Clinton ally into the spot (Bayh).

I'm probably not framing it correctly right now, multitasking has me going in too many different directions!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:37 PM
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21. Well,
Obama shouldn't be 'brokering a deal' with anybody about who he picks for HIS Vice President. :(

Anyway, I wish like hell he'd ANNOUNCE it already! This is almost as stressful as the primaries!
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:15 PM
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8. It can't be H. Clinton
She is DLC, and if Obama choose her his "change" platform would no longer be valid.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:18 PM
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11. That's true for us here - but the average voter doesn't know a thing about DLC
The MSM would probably trumpet it from all of the corners of the earth, but I'm not sure it would resonate outside of people who follow politics closely.

I know far too many people who think along the lines of "A Democrat is Democrat no matter what".
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:22 PM
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15. That's true.
And you're right..the media, and even the McCain campaign would expose it, and it could end up hurting us in the long run.

I can just hear the spin now..."Obama picks DLC...what kind of change is that?"...something along those lines.


But that's the risk Obama takes for running on this change platform. He needs to live up to the standards he set himself, which is very difficult.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:19 PM
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13. No VP pick will result in a loss most likely
Edited on Thu Aug-07-08 09:19 PM by Jake3463
The VP has 3 moments. The speech after being picked, the convention, and the VP debates. After that they read stump speeches in swing states.

You have to screw up pretty bad as a VP pick to cost the Presidential nominee the race.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:23 PM
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16. Unless you come with baggage so heavy that it can't be ignored. n/t
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:30 PM
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18. Not Hillary. Bill will introduce Bayh as VP. Bill knows Bayh well.
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:36 PM
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20. That's what I'm worried about
I really hate to think that Obama would have to bow to pressure from the Clinton's on how to best run (ruin) his campaign.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 09:39 PM
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22. The vp has to be
very much in thinking as Obama, As Hillary once said, "stuff happens," or words of a similar nature. A lot of right-wingers would love to have Bayh or Clark as president. If not Edwards, then Richardson.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:09 PM
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23. It is Hillary. Shoot me, kill me, stone me, but it is Hillary. Why is it so hard to believe.
I'm glad to see you are hoping it's HIllary because you will be thrilled. It's her.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-08 11:39 PM
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24. Johnny One Note, singing his one note.
Do you think posting that same thought ad nauseam makes it more likely to happen?

As far as punishing you, we will do that after Hillary's NOT the VP pick, any time you show your face thereafter.
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