Hillary Clinton's slur unearthed to hurt Obama

In the new ad released by the Republicans, Clinton is shown saying: "I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House and Senator Obama has a speech that he gave in 2002."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/08/barackobama.hillaryclinton%3Fgusrc%3Drss%26feed%3Dnetworkfront

clinton deadenders don't like it, but there ya go.

They deserve each other.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

provide a link to that quote.

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Furthermore,

Hillary Clinton did NOT have to pat McCain on the back to bolster her inexperience argument. She simply had to make the case that SHE was ready and Obama was not. No, she took it to the next level and gave ammunition to the other side. Essentially she was saying, "You don't belong in this race. We do."

"I have the experience and Barack has a speech."

Potent, but fair. And all she had to say.

...then I suggest that you sit down before you humiliate yourself any further.

show us the quote!

When was that?

:eyes:

It stands to reason that any Republican nominee would be sending Hillary thank you notes for her endorsement, and for her trashing of the Dem opponent. Hillary couldn't have done a better job of laying the groundwork for McCain's team - as could only have been expected, her hiring Charlie Black's colleague to run her campaign. No wonder she endorsed McCain while doing his dirty work!

However, it's a flat out lie that Obama called Hillary Clinton a racist. If you want to defend dirty politics by repeating lies like that, perhaps it'd be better if you did so at a forum where people aren't so aware of the facts.

that's what happened. defensible or not, those kind of statements against another Democrat worked against her more than for her. :shrug:

i nearly voted for her for Super Tuesday. probably lots of Democrats changed their minds just as i did.

and the rest is history. :shrug:

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

by far. that's what hurt her.

and why won't you explain where Obama used race against her?

She campaigned no more negatively than Obama.

Race: I will not rehash the primaries as it is against the rules. And I will not be baited into getting into an argument about something we all know happened. But, you have google (and I perhaps a memory of the primaries).

but didn't back it up.

"Not a muslim to my knowledge," "Jesse Jackson won SC twice," "Obama has a speech he made in 2002..." and on, and on.

Clinton campaigned negatively. Obama didn't. Your "memory" of the primaries is entirely slanted to support your candidate.

now who's rewriting history?

up the nomination on Super Tuesday as she had so arrogantly predicted, she went into KITCHEN SINK mode.

She went down and dirty and rightly lost. But in so doing, she damaged -- and did so purposely -- our nominee. So we are bound to see the blow back. The OP is right!

If you're not here to help Obama win, why are you here at all?

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

We're all waiting...

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

I figured they would save that for later on.

Her past statements would be more damaging to the Dems if shown after being picked for VP.

I was furious when she said it, and seeing it again gets my blood boiling. :grr: This is the kind of stuff that reinforced the notion that it's always about the Clintons and rarely about the party.

Come on, you're too smart to fall for that old trick, aren't you?

Its amazing. Sometimes it seems as though Obama supporters had never experienced an election before. I know that's not the case and that we're all too smart and experienced to fall for those tired old tricks.

If it helps, when these things happen, imagine the shoe being on the other foot. Imagine Clinton as the winner and the GOP unearthing Obama rumors and quotes from the primary. Imagine Obama being out on the trail campaigning for Clinton and getting trashed by fellow Dems for doing it.


Seems rather obvious when you think of it that way.

O D :o

Did I?

She sank deep in the muck on more than one occasion. He did not.

and I have faith that you can rise above this destructive infighting and focus on winning in November.

Now you need to believe it too. Okay? :)

I'm excited about November. I've got my voter registration packets and I'm going to go out there this week ...

Peace. :hi:

Our local BOE thinks it will be the best way to prevent delays and lines at polling places on election day. They're even going to allow you to check to see if they're received and counted your vote at their web site.

Its going to be great! Dems will sweep if we focus, stick together and work really hard. :hi:

That is a start in the right direction.

She made that comment and went on to make more bizarre statements; McCain's guttersnipe campaign is only doing what they know best. Really, there's no excuse for some of the things that she said during the primaries but what can you do? She felt that way and has the right to do so; I just hope she doesn't get upset that McCain turns around and uses those same words for his own advantage.

However hard it might be for some to deal with the reality.

She was aiming for 2012.

She doesn't have a chance in 2012. Pissing off half Democrats only makes it tougher for her. If Obama doesn't win. You can bet your ass she wouldn't beat Mark Warner in the primary.

But lets hope Obama wins. Because we can't afford MCCain as President

She reaps what she sowed.

Because we all knew, including Hillary, that Obama was going to be the nominee.

She's not going to be the VP.

Thank goodness for that!

But Obama supporters are too smart to fall for those tricks, aren't they? Clinton bashing is for low information voters.

She made a comment that now causes Obama's campaign to take time out of their packed schedules to address; that kind of attack from a fellow party member is not only uncalled for but fair game to be used later by your opponents. Really, how hard is it to acknowledge that the comment would come back to haunt her and the Party?

Do you want Obama to win the election or lose it? You need to decide. Either fall for the GOP's divisive tactics or ignore them and work on winning the election. Simple choice.

HRC is responsible for the comments she made; don't go blaming the GOP for her acid tongue. I AM working towards winning the election and want to do so without having to pretend as if nasty comments are alright just because 'its politics'.

I'm a Democrat and I support all Democrats. Period. I don't defend or help Republicans.

I'm so bad, I've voted a straight Democratic ticket for the last 30 years.

I have never seen a fellow Democrat do what Hillary did to Senator Obama. It was totally uncalled for, and a play straight out of Rove's playbook. I would expect a comment like that from a rethug, but not a Democrat and especially not a Clinton.

Let's focus on defeating McSame. There's nothing to be gained by re-opening old wounds. That's just what the GOP wants us to do. We can't win in November if we're a divided party. :)

is someone who calls themself a Democrat.

She could have said "I have experience, but Obama has a speech." Hard hitting, but well within the bounds. No need to put McCain over Obama at all.

You're a fellow Democrat who wants to win in November. It won't happen unless we're all working together, focusing on McCain and the GOP.

I'm sure you've noticed there are no threads rehashing the bashing that Obama did against Hillary during the primary. These kinds of threads serve no purpose except to help get Republicans elected. Its time to put it behind us if we're going to win in November. Time is short. Let's focus on McCain. As a Democrat, I'm sure you want to defeat him, right?

...if she were the nominee??

We ARE focused on beating McCain ~ Hillary's comment is helping the other side. And just last week Bill Clinton gave them another sound bite to use. The Clintons aren't thinking of the party ~ they're out for themselves, working it for 2012.

stop worrying about Hillary and focus on Obama's real opposition.

I have faith in you, I know you can do it.

and go after McCain.

There's plenty of ammunition- but apparently they lack the will to use it.

old like HRC and McCain have loved to delve into. I see this as one of his moves into "change we can believe"---giving some truth and strength to politics as something the citizenry can see as something more than a power play of big names and even bigger money.

and if this was always the campaign's intention, then it's every bit as bad as Edwards running despite having an affair.

This is the difference. Or focusing on playing the name calling game. It's just not worth it in the long run. HRC's campaign is a perfect example of how this can backfire.

:evilfrown:

That's the ONE thing I admired about Reagan, in an odd way..
His 11th commandment did a lot of "good" for their party for a couple of decades, and many many elections..

When same-party candidates rip each other apart in the primaries, the "winner" comes out wounded, just in time for the BIG fight, and the other party has loads of snippets to use against them, and since those words were said by his/her own fellow party-members, it's MORE devastating. When it's said to be "just what people say in the heat of the primary battle", it makes us look even worse.. "say anything to get elected" comes to mind..

Obama bit his tongue, and never said anything hurtful or vicious about any competitor, and was instantly tagged as "weak-timid-Bambi"... If he had been mean right back, he would have been portrayed at "angry black man".. He had no choice but to run a clean campaign in the middle of a mud-wallow by his main competitor in the primary.. It ended up helping him , but now it's all coming back..all the same shit, only it's recycled by the republicans..


Here's hoping he can withstand it all again.. so far so good..

Obama tried his best to keep race out of it...............................

with the American people, and everybody here knows it.

But don't let that stop the hate from the hope crowd.

Obama would have never said that! Hillary crossed the line with that comment, and you know that!

Both comments, and either would have been used depending on who became the nominee, were said in the heat of a hard fought campaign. We all know these things.

NT!

on their personal shortcomings. The opposition doesn't bother using the inter-party infighting, because they just do the same thing themselves.

The "gift" the GOP got from Hillary Clinton is that she said their own guy was better for the job than her fellow Democrat. She crossed a big line that should never have been crossed. I've never seen anyone else go there as long as I've followed campaigns, and it should cost her the VP slot.

You lose this round.

Thanks a lot, Hillary Clinton.
Let's see how she tries to squirm her way out of this one.

if he won...thats why her negative campaigning pissed me off.

NOT dropping out sooner. She was KILLING the Democrats. And I feel she, on some level, KNEW that.

THERE YOU GO.

I've stated for a while now (to silence, mostly) that this is one of the reasons Obama is unlikely to choose her as his VP (that, her proven lies - Tuzla, NAFTA - and the fact that a majority of registered voters don't want her on his ticket).

Of course, this wasn't hard to foresee.

Check it....she crossed the line more than once, saying she and John had experience and Obama didn't.

What she did was sleaze, sleazy politics, it was low and dirty and selfish and disgusting. She only cares about her own damn self, not the party and not the country.

http://www.gop.com/clintonvsobama/

We don't need to go there. Pointing out the facts about her actions is damning enough.

She went way too far. She crossed the line.

It's one thing to say you're better than your opponent, quite another to say that the Republican candidate is better than your Democratic opponent.

She set a new low for Democratic Primary sleaziness.

And she said it with attitude. She's earned the appellation.

"Liar" is far more accurate, and far more descriptive, for her.

...in a non-sexist way.... I know men and women who "bitch" alot. I suppose it's a word nobody here on du ever uses.... :sarcasm:

So, I deleted "bitch" and put in:

What she did was sleaze, sleazy politics, it was low and dirty and selfish and disgusting. She only cares about her own damn self, not the party and not the country.

The previous word was too vague, and I didn't mean to provoke these reactions.

You're just feeding into the whole Hillary dead-ender narrative about misogyny, for one thing.

And for another thing, as a woman, I find that word totally offensive in ANY context.

Get rid of it.

What she did was sleaze, sleazy politics, it was low and dirty and selfish and disgusting. She only cares about her own damn self, not the party and not the country.

Jeez.

I think the appellation "asshole" is perfectly fitting -- and it's nice and gender neutral. :)

Thank you for editing your post.

sw

And when I'm wrong, I'm wrong...

And "asshole" is just fine...

:hi:

:hi: Back atcha!

sw

Sister suggests that you "move on" if that is possible.

It's pretty sad when he can't effectively attack Obama, so he's got to use Senator Clinton in his advertisements.

And it's easy to copy and paste Democrats praising McCain and attacking Obama in your advertisement. So fucking what?

will do anything to win just like HE disenfranchised Florida and Michigan and other poor hard working white people...

And we can thank HRC, Ickes, McAuliffe, etc. for that, too. Clinton and her team in its desperation, in its kitchen sink mode gave the opposition mucho ammo. That's why I have no respect for any of them.

even though both states have been provided for

They = (M)onkey($)hine(M)edia, (P)ooting(U)nderachieving(M)orans(A)ssociates, McShitsHisPants, (R)epulsicans, F'tardeepers, whiners, liars and criers and includes any other anti-Obama asshat not already mentioned.

Stop it!

Fock Hill and Bill and John and anyone not onboard as well Any ONE, any THEY or any THING that detracts from getting Obama (perceived or not) into the WH. The lot of them should be tased then pushed under the Obama bus with the words "Best viewed from the rear view window" tattooed on their asses as we march our way to a Victory in '08.

Focus peeps, Focus!

Recognize the bullshit, debunk it, complain about it to the appropriate waste management facility, spread the truth and then keep it moving.

There will be plenty of sink holes we have to find our way across but we can't get across if we keep falling in them.

The quote is out there. Hillary should make a statement like:

"Now that the heat of the campaign is over, and I have read Barack's speeches, spoken with him, and followed closely everything he has done as he campaigns. It is clear that he has the experience, the wisdom, the knowledge, the empathy and the judgment to be a great president and commander-in-chief. I encourage you all to take the time to understand his vision for America."

and a statement like:

"Whatever I said about McCain's readiness, I was wrong. We have seen in his campaign the kind of inconsistency, divisiveness, and
impulsiveness that would make him at best an embarrassment and at worst a disaster as a commander-in-chief.

Or, if she's in a hurry:

"What I said before? Never mind. I was just making stuff up to try to win the nomination."