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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:30 PM
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Poll question: How does this look? Is it something you could go for?
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 01:31 PM by FrenchieCat
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:31 PM
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1. Risky but smart.....
the whole controversy over Clarks McCain comments would be revived, but maybe it could work in Obama's favor?
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:35 PM
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That Scheiffer "incident" was so overblown...
Clark comes across so well during that interview, I think it would be fine to give it more press.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:03 PM
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19. Overblown or not, Americans were fooled.
They were fooled into believing he was trashing McCain's military service.

You and I both know what Clark meant, but it doesn't mean the average voters do.

And that's what will decide this election. We're already firmly in our camp, they are not.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:08 PM
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23. You are correct, but lets's let Clark debate that point....
...he would do just fine!
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:12 PM
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24. It'd be risky.
If he could spin it around and explain it away, we'd be fine. If he couldn't, something like that would hang over the head of the campaign the rest of the election.

I'd much rather go a different route, but I wouldn't be too upset with Clark. I'd rather the candidate have governing experience, which I think could help level the ticket out.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:19 PM
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25. Perhaps but...
I don't think the average voter would remember the flap, and if you watch that interview...I would love to have the substance of that interview out there, without all the hubbub over the quote.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:40 PM
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29. Not explain it away - OWN it, the way he did from the beginning...
Only now other surrogates could repeat a well-crafted line to reinforce the idea that military service does not automatically qualify someone to be president.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:32 PM
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2. Hell yes!
And as Paris would say... "thats HOT!"
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:35 PM
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3. That's Hawt.
Spell it right! LOL!
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:38 PM
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6. lmao...
:spray: My bad. I dont know what got into me. :rofl:
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:35 PM
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4. risky but smart.
the risk would be the comments clark made about McCain even though they were true.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:36 PM
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5. Hell Yes! nt
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:38 PM
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7. Risky only because of the flap
However, I think the voters could get over it. A former general would trump the egotistical flyboy by election day. The MSM can only flog that baby so much.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:44 PM
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8. How does this look, you say? I'd say "Rather YUMMY!"
Not a Senator, not from a big urban state, from the South, and OODLES of national security cred.

And awfully easy on the eyes.

Sure gets my vote!

:thumbsup:
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:46 PM
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11. The MSM would have a cow!
they thought that they had already knocked Clark out with their innuendo and hysterics. I can support that ticket wholeheartedly! Obama/Clark 2008....nice ring to it.
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Kceres Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:47 PM
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12. Yummy is right!
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 01:48 PM by Kceres
A ticket we could "fantasize" about in every meaning of the word.
:loveya:
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:18 PM
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15. don't forget that he also
supported Senator Clinton (so he may draw some of those folks back) and picking him does not remove a Democrat from Congress.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:00 PM
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17. Exactly. We really shouldn't be looking at another Senator. We have one already.
We really don't want to be taking TWO Democrats out of the Senate.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:46 PM
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9. Dream Ticket.
Two major reasons why.

1-With McLiar going so negative, so early--we need an Attack Dog, and Clark is one.

2-A new war started this week in Eastern Europe with Russia. Clark is the VP candidate who could best advise on critical war issues.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:46 PM
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10. I like the ticket
But there are better choices out there. The old geographic logic still applies, however, and an southerner makes sense for a Midwesterner like Obama.

The problem I see isn't the whole McCain flap, but the fact that he's 15 years older than Obama. There's a certain logic to having a VP younger than the nominee, JFK and LBJ to the contrary.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 01:49 PM
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13. Clark would be great for the Obama years
and in 2016 let's bring the Iron Maiden Hillary to take over (probably divorced from Billy)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:56 PM
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16. That logic only applies if you intend the VP to be the candidate
after two terms - and when is the last time that has happened after any administration - much less after a Democratic administration?

GHWB, after St Ronnie - but it could be argued that GHWB's one term was actually his 3rd term, because it was him and his crowd pulling Ronnie's strings.

Before that, Truman - which also doesn't really count because he only served less than 1 term as VP before finishing FDRs last term, then got re-elected from there.

I really can't think of a VP who served 8 years, then went on to win the election for president.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:26 PM
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36. Can we do it?
Yes we can! We almost pulled it off in 2000. Maybe by 2016 it will be time for change again, but just because it hasn't happened in a long time doesn't mean it cannot happen again. For example, it's been a while since anyone's gone straight from the Senate to the white House, and that's about to happen again.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 02:11 PM
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14. Lordy.... yes
Two very very intelligent (and good looking) men.... Oh, my-- where 'be' my smelling salts? :evilgrin:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:01 PM
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18. 87% are on board, for the most part.
Not bad.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:04 PM
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20. It's a good one but just not my pick
I could live with it though.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:07 PM
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21. A lot of AUTOMATIC WIN in the picture
I haven't seen this much AUTOMATIC WIN since the first olypmic basketall game.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:08 PM
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22. No, they don't get along. For one thing, he's an old crotchity bastard,
And the other one is Wes Clark.

:)
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:37 PM
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39. Who's a crotechity old bastard?

No way the General is.

You talking about mcLAME?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:31 PM
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26. Not my #1 pick after his action in the primary but I'd support Obama
and think it would ultimately do well for Obama.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:35 PM
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27. the "military man" takes McSame's security, terra, and military service out of the race.
You served in 'nam? we'll our VP commanded....
Terror? our VP was a freaking General....
You're an old white guy? boom our VP is white, experienced, but not senile unlike you


not my first pick, but I'll deal
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:39 PM
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28. Up to 91% support for the most part......
Pretty damn good! :patriot:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:42 PM
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30. I don't the VP should be somebody that's lost a previous national Prez bid
(either in the primary or the general)
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:47 PM
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31. That certainly rules out Joe MBNA Biden
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:49 PM
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32. Yes, it does...and Clark and Richardson and a few other seemingly popular picks here...
I'm still pulling for Schweitzer. I think Obama/Schweitzer would be absolutely unstoppable.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 03:55 PM
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33. It also would have ruled out Gore in 1992, GHW Bush in 1980,
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 03:56 PM by depakid
Just sayin'
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 04:02 PM
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34. True, but I think it works against the "change" theme.
And, as the public's opinion of Congress is even lower than its opinion of Bush, I don't believe a Senator or Representative would work well, either.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 04:36 PM
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35. That works for me. n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:27 PM
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37. That would TOTALLY make my year!
My dream ticket. I hope it happens.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:31 PM
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38. I'd be totally enthusiastic about that!!
I'd jump for joy!! :bounce:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:50 PM
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40. How do they get along?
Anybody know that? Obama's often-stated main qualification is to have somebody who "shares my vision." Is that Clark?

As for Clark's Face the Nation overhyped moment, I think everybody understands that what you actually did in the military may or may not qualify you for an equivalent or related civilian job. In McCain's case that would mean possibly becoming a commercial pilot or a crop duster or something, though I seriously doubt any commercial airlines would ever touch him with his disastrous flying record.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:59 PM
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41. Absolutely! It's been my hope, but I'm begiinning to doubt it will happen
Just got an email from Clark saying he's going to "hit the road" campaigning to get a lot of Democratic candidates elected this year.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:01 PM
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42. Two highly intelligent people running the country...wow, that would be a relief!
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 11:01 PM by WA98296
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:51 PM
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43. SecDef, not VP
My short list has the General on it, but he is third.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 11:56 PM
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44. and it would make Arkansas competitive and Clintons would support it
they can at least view it as supporting Wes Clark and might make it easier for everyone .

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