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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:14 PM
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The situation in Georgia ought to move Wes Clark and Joe
Biden to the top of Barack's short list for VP. The GOP will seize on this to talk tough and tout the need for experience. Neither Kaine or Bayh would help Obama respond to those themes. I would hope that an Obama Administration would rethink our encouragement of former Soviet Republics' entry into NATO. NATO expansion and the missle shield ideas proposed against Russia's objections can only serve to raise tensions in the area. There are so many fuses that the W Regime has set a match to, that Barack is going to have to have a savvy foreign and/or military affairs partner. Either Clark or Biden would fill that bill in a way that none of the other possibilities would.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:18 PM
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1. Agree, but Joe would make a superb Secretary of State.
The others aren't suitable (Bayh, neocon) or not yet ready (Kaine, a first-term governor who never held federal office).
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:54 PM
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18.  I think Biden or Dodd will be SoS.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:20 PM
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2. Most people don't veiw someone as a strong leader just because they sat on a Senate committee.
And most people would probably be right about that.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:24 PM
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4. Biden has extensive experience in dialoguing with many of the
world's leaders. He does more than "sit on a Senate committee." Both Bhutto and Musharraf, for example, spoke with Biden before they even spoke with Bush or Rice.

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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:31 PM
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8. ooooohhhh dialogging!!1!1!!
:eyes:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:34 PM
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10. Perhaps if this administration had engaged in some honest dialogue,
we wouldn't be in Iraq and threatening Iran now.

Is dialoguing bad? What would you feel is a better approach?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:35 PM
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11. Bidens sometimes inconisitent drivel on the Sunday "news" shows over the years
makes him a VERY poor choice.

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:43 PM
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13. We don't need to go back and forth on this, because
we hold different views, but I just want to say he's done more in the FP arena than appear on Sunday shows.

The SFRC is a committee peopled with some really impressive people -- it's not just BIden. I'm grateful that with an Obama administration, the President will actually LISTEN to these wise Senators.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:46 PM
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14. All I'm saying is that if the GOP loosed some interns on all that tape...
Edited on Mon Aug-11-08 06:26 PM by depakid
they'd find plenty of "treasures" to use quite effectively against the ticket.

This in addition to the plagiarism business.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:53 PM
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15. I understand your point -- and you're not alone in that assessment.
I don't think they'd turn up much of anything, and I personally don't think the plagiarism thing would be a big issue.

See? We're not going to agree on this. :7
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:01 PM
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23. Someone needs to put out the fly paper.
The annoying little insects are having another hatch.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:21 PM
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3. I was thinking the exact same thing
as I watched Kaine's interview on Face the Nation. He -- and many others mentioned -- wouldn't bring any heft to that area.
Even one of my faves, Brian Schweitzer, wouldn't address this issue as well. I agree. Biden or Clark.

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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 10:18 PM
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26.  I like your choice of the word "heft". Biden and Clark are heavy
weights in an area that the Russians just placed front and center in the GE. I will support Obama with enthusiasm whoever he taps, but I hope it will be Clark or Biden. They have heft where we need it.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:27 PM
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5. At least Clark and Biden
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:43 PM
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21.  I don't even think Gravel would have been so limited in
research options as Old Man McCain.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:19 PM
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25. McCain is appearing
more and more pathetic all the time. His campaign is starting to look like a SNL spoof of his campaign.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:29 PM
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6. If Holbrooke has Obama's ear, then Obama knows Clark's strengths
in this area, I'm sure.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:32 PM
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9. I'm sure Obama knows Clark's strengths -
It's the politics (spin) on Clark's statement which may give him pause.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:31 PM
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7. Richardson too. n/t
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 05:41 PM
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12. Kicking & Rec'ing for CLARK
Biden, not so much...

-app
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 06:38 PM
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16. Agreed.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 06:44 PM
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17. Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. may be the best person to speak to this situation. Since the U.N.
Security council is the only place this can be hashed out, and even then.......




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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 12:13 PM
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28.  I like Richardson and was prepared to like him even more.
His performance during the Primaries was uneven and does not inspire the kind of confidence in me that Clark and Biden do.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 07:57 PM
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19. I do not think VP will be a sitting Senator.
Therefore, I pick Clark. He fits into the current situation perfectly.
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 09:02 PM
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24. No, you're right. It'll be the last one standing. nt
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:00 PM
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20. Biden, Clark, Bayh, Richardson
Bayh has worked intensively on intelligence issues over the years. he actually brings quite a bit of foreign policy experience to the ticket
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-08 08:44 PM
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22. I want Clark for VP, Biden for SoS and Richardson for UN amb.
Or maybe switch Biden and Richardson.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 07:00 AM
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27. I like that line-up, too. eom
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 01:18 PM
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29. Wasn't Richardson already UN Amb?
VP: Clark
SOS: Chris Dodd
Defense: Biden
AG: Hillary
Homeland Security: Richardson

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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:13 PM
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30. Yes he was. I like your line-up, too. But I think it will be Hagel
at Defense. We need to spread some of the responsibility to the other party for the difficult decisions Barack will face .
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 05:18 PM
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31. I'll take Clark, but wouldn't be looking forward to 2016
... sorry... just wouldn't be.

Of course, my mind might change if Clark really proves himself to be more of a peacemaker than a warmonger while working in his VP role.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-12-08 06:11 PM
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32.  Why would you worry about Wes being a "warmonger"?
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