Depressed.

I was watching the faith forum thing and saw the segment with Obama when he was talking about marriage. I know that he does not believe in marriage equality but every time he says marriage is between a man and a woman I get very depressed. I will still support him but I will be happy when we have a president that supports us all.

Times will change, you will see. ;)

Sam Nunn, personally stomped that plan flat.

In other words, don't bet on it.

but i dont bet on politics, dont worry.

regardless, obama is better than the alternative when it comes to equal rights.

i mean, some on other side would like to see anyone with sexual differences either A)thrown in jail B)sent to reducation camps or even more evil and drastic C)murdered.

so frankly, the choice is clear to me on whos probably better suited to handle equal rights... regardless of their stance on 'marriage'.

to me, marriage isnt a christian ideal nor a religious ideal... its a social one... seeing as people have been performing rituals of unity between two people long before any of the organised religions of today exsisted.

He can admit he took drugs, which I guess is a step up, but how hard is it to say, 'Yes, I believe in full marriage rights for gay couples'.?

Plus, I'm eating coconut-pineapple ice cream. :P

The damn christians and their sexual hangups.Love is love.Why does it matter who we fall in love with???

The damn christians and their sexual hangups.Love is love.Why does it matter who we fall in love with???

to permit people to be openly gay in the military.

Sometimes I, like you, feel like I'll never fit in in "mainstream" American society, because I don't see what the big deal is with allowing same sex marriage.

I don't care what you call it -- marriage, civil
unions, whatever -- Obama believes that the government
shouldn't discriminate. If churches want to call
what they bless "marriage", GREAT ... but the
government isn't in the "marriage business" so
it's not a question any political candidate ought
to have to answer.

Let the state condone civil unions and churches
condone "marriage" -- and there will be some
churches that bless gay marriages and others that
don't. The bottom line is: ALL COUPLES THAT
LIVE TOGETHER AFTER A COMMITMENT CEREMONY DESERVE
THE SAME PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW.

Please, let us stop kicking Obama over this!

He supported the California law also.

he said the state must grant some rights.

I should be "allowed" to visit my partner in the hospital.

The essence of his response is that there should
be no difference in the rights that civil couples
and "married couples" have.

and that's not what I heard. I'll watch it again when it repeats later.

Good points...

The easiest solution to this issue is to grant full marriage equality to all couples that want recognition not only by the state, but also the Federal government.

Marriage, historically speaking, is not a religious institution. And this extends beyond the confines of puritanical nation.

one way or another. I fought for the marriage amendment here in California
and I'm not gay.

The fundies had their moment and they lost. All three branches of government controlled by the Republicans and they didn't even get cloture.

Keep up the good fight on the opposite coast, friend.

But the government is in the marriage business. That's why we have to obtain and pay for a marriage license from the court in order to be married. Not even straight people can be married without government involvement, whether they are religious or not.

Or do you argue that atheist couples aren't married?

No. Equality for all, PERIOD.

civil unions first, getting people comfortable. Relgion and morality too difficult. Just saw her today on Book TV.

that says that. Sorry

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My grandma told me she never thought she would see a president stand up for interracial marriage but today it is seen as bad if you don't support it. With time all things are possible.

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Get over it I deserve the same right that you have.

you deserve the same rights because your a homo sapien not because you are a homo sexual.

And fabric blends too or else you are a hypocrite.

It's in the "bible".

MPK

first of all the bible has shit all to do with civil rights, dear.

And people don't decide to be gay. They either are or they're not. Same with color.

Take your vile homophobia and leave DU.

We don't tolerate ugly bigots here. And that's exactly what YOU are.

Go back to whichever right wing hater site you slithered out of.

NOW.

And what about women that have gone through menopause? Should they be denied marriage rights, as well?

So, yes. It's VERY MUCH a "civil rights issue"

Oh, and fuck Godwin.

I think she was a bit more credible than you are on the comparison.

There is no coherent or justifiable reason to oppose same-sex marriage. Oh, and last time I checked, the Bible is not the law of this land, no matter how hard the bigots try.

I see no difference in using it to justify anti-gay prejudice.

If you are against gay marriage, you are a stupid bigot, pure and simple.

win the award for politest man on the internet.

MPK

...just to throw him a curveball. :evilgrin:

Actually I thought his thank you contained a smidge of meta-irony that I appreciated.

MPK

My male-centric thinking got me again. x(

One of these days I'll actually check someone's profile. :)

I understand he's not your champion, but life under an Obama administration will make your life better. McCain? Well I think you get the picture.

Now we get off our collective asses and go state by state getting these measures on state ballots.

Howard Dean has talked about this. He said WE can do this in states to, for instance, demand a paper trail on EVMs.

We are the change that we seek. Seriously, we are.

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Who cares what other people think? Just do it.

Seriously, why get depressed over other peoples hang ups. You have your own beliefs and your own values. Screw them and live life as you see fit.

and the legal protections. Money. Insurance. Immigration. It is not about what other people think. It is about real life issues, governmential issues.

...where they already are.

You get it.

Is he for or against it? Or how will he satisfy the desire to offshore with the need to keep the global economy from crashing, which means our country has to provide jobs too. ;)

That will affect a lot more people, forgive me for saying that because I somehow manage to say this every election year...

a constitutional amendment. I wish Obama and other democratic candidates would be able to run on a much more liberal agenda. I am more concerned, though, that they get in.

sad but realistic

all men and women are created equally and as such deserve the same rights all the way around...in this day and age it angers me that no such candidate feels compelled to point out that all americans should be treated equally.,

I wish he had a better answer even if he feels he had to stick with the basic marriage between a man and a woman but when California makes it permanent 10s of thousands are going to get married and move to other states and people will see it first hand and in 2 years from now it will be changed dramatically.

Ruggerson had a much better answer that i wish he had used.

Think of the progress made over the past 20 years. The change must be gradual; when people realize there's nothing to fear, then we will have come full circle.

I wish I had a better answer but I don't; it's going to take time. :hug: