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ProSense

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:11 PM
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Why McCain's "win" wasn't really a win at the FBF

Why McCain's "win" wasn't really a win at the FBF

by Kristina40
Sat Aug 16, 2008 at 07:33:50 PM PDT

I am somewhat upset at the chicken littling going on over the Faith Based Forum. Obama did a great job expressing who he is. McCain gave a stump speech to his base.

The Obama campaign knew what they were getting into by entering into that forum. They were targeting the Moderate Christians and Independents, McCain simply pandered to his "base" and gained NO votes for his performance. He tethered himself firmly to Bush and his policies and you can be sure, Obama will be more than happy to use McCain's answers from tonight in future ads to make sure nobody misses it.

Remember McCain pronouncing "America" as "Amuurica"? How many times do you figure we'll be hearing that in an ad soon? How about his abortion answers? How many women will run screaming away from McCain now? Any moderate's watching his performance tonight are appalled by his obvious love of war and all that has to do with it. Obama gained votes tonight from groups other than the Evangelicals it was slanted towards. That being said, I've no doubt Jed is compiling a virtual treasure trove of clips as I type as a result of this forum.

As an Obama supporter, one has to read between the lines and look forward. What he does is planned, and planned with precision. I would urge those going into fits of clucking to think about this and look forward a day or so. Stay focused and try not to let your heads explode over things like this. One thing I think we can all agree on is; Obama is not stupid. He did this forum for a reason and he wouldn't have done it if he didn't think he was going to come out of it without a net gain in votes. IMHO, he accomplished that and more. He came off as thoughtful, pragmatic and grounded in his faith. Have faith, he accomplished much tonight!

Same point

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Spazito

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:17 PM
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1. My thoughts exactly!

Thanks for posting. Recommended.

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ProSense

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:20 PM
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5. Snatched the

Obama is a Muslim meme right out of the GOP's grubby hands.

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Spazito

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:28 PM
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10. Yep, that he did! n/t

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Quixote1818

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:18 PM
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2. Good points. K and R.

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skids

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:19 PM
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3. New whole cloth is always a good thing to have...

...I am sure Jed is busily whirring his nonlinear editor up to speed as well.

Personally since McCain retraced several of his old canards, I'd love to just see a lot of the videos already out there redone and consolidated to use the FBF footage instead of town hall footage and whatnot. Something like "McCain lies in church."

What got me is the "we're the only country" to send military for someone else's freedom. I'm sure a lot of world leaders will end up scratching their heads and saying "WTF?" over that one.

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Diamonique

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:24 PM
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7. LOL! Yeah.. that one gave me a WTF moment too.

And when he mentioned things he's gone against his party on, he forgot to mention that he has since flip-flopped on all of them.

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skids

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:27 PM
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9. And the eagerness to talk about Georgia...

...man, if someone cannot see the pure wrongness in using a dire political situation shamelessly as a campaign tool, they must be numb.

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tblue37

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:02 PM
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15. "Lafayette, we are here!"--but Lafayette came here

with French troops to help us win our freedom first.

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Blue_Roses

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:19 PM
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4. well said!

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FrenchieCat

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:22 PM
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6. Agreed!

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speedoo

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:26 PM
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8. Excellent, thoughtful assessment. K&R.

Thanks for posting.

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Motown_Johnny

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:31 PM
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11. Agreed, Plus he raised the bar for himself in the debates, and alienated all pro choice voters

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grantcart

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:33 PM
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12. I think a careful examination of McCain's remarks are actually very unsettling -

from an evangelical point of view.

All of McCain's deepest religious experiences are traced back to his POW experience (or he was throwing them in for effect).

After he has had this epiphany with the guard and had his religious re awakening he goes home and treats his wife like shit and commits the greatest moral failings in his life.

This is not what being 'born again' is all about.

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Usrename

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Sun Aug-17-08 02:56 AM
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24. Stranger still, are his views about morality.

Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 02:58 AM by Usrename

He actually said that most immoral thing America has done is when Bush told everyone to go shopping after 9/11.

Dropping napalm on innocent civilian victims didn't make his list somehow.

The guy is a nightmare come to life.

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goclark

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Sun Aug-17-08 08:52 AM
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26. Well said Grantcart

IMO Obama is going after the middle of the road Warren people not the ones that were sitting there in the $5000 seats.

Of course that crowd will vote for him,they were promised tickets so they could be his crowd.

Yes they were polite to Obama but that was a set up crowd and they did exactly what they were expected to do -- "Don't clap when Obama mentions the War Vote."

How else would not one person clap ~

It was a set up and Obama still walked through the fire.

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darius15

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:38 PM
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13. Who cares?

Barely anyone was watching the FBF. All eyes were on Michael Phelps.

Nobody is paying attention right now (except for us political junkies) so it won't affect Obama or McCain. The conventions is when it starts.

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ProSense

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Sat Aug-16-08 10:58 PM
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14. "Nobody is paying attention right now (except for us political junkies)" and

the fundies in the audience, and the people calling into C-Span.

I agree that a lot of people were probably tuned out, but I think the objective was to reach people who would likely eat up this kind of program.

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Arkana

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:13 PM
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17. This too, actually.

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Arkana

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:12 PM
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16. Finally, some sense.

People are so concerned with the fact that McCain got applause from a crowd that heavily favored him that they have utterly failed to look at the big picture. Solidifying your base means jack shit if you scare the hell out of any disaffected Republicans or independents who might be considering you.

Folks, I'm not saying to get overconfident, but please--have SOME faith in Obama's campaign and Obama's judgment. They might just know what they're doing.

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seasat

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:30 PM
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18. I agree, he kept the already committed but lost the independents

He sounded like he was in a Repub debate in a forum that was supposed to represent everyone. Rick Warren's calling for civil debate before and after the forum will be played against McCain's increasingly negative campaign. The issues that McCain pounced on like abortion, no taxes, and war are negatives for the swing voters. He provided sound bites that will be easily used as evidence of his ties to Bush. He did nothing to win over folks in the political middle.

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DAMANgoldberg

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:48 PM
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19. He wasn't trying to appeal to moderates...

He was giving a stump speech, "direct" answers to questions (CNN's words not mine). This was meat for the base, pure and simple.

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AuntPatsy

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:50 PM
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20. Now if only the media would echo the truth of your words all would be sounding much more intelligent

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AuntPatsy

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Sat Aug-16-08 11:52 PM
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21. Oops forgot to K & R,

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LonelyLRLiberal

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Sun Aug-17-08 12:43 AM
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22. I hope that is a correct analysis, because I am so frustrated at the MSM "evaluation."

Who the hell cares if McLame "tells stories"? He gave NO no new insight into himself, and Obama did. In this kind of one-sided forum, I think the best Obama could do is not fall into their stupid traps or look like he was pandering.

I sure hope to see some of the McCain BS in ads.

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mahina

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Sun Aug-17-08 01:15 AM
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23. Obama had way more to win than McBush, and he did a super job.

If people know Obama, they will vote for Obama. The only thing holding him back is that the MSM won't let his voice be heard for more than a few seconds. For this reason alone, I'm glad the event was aired.

In the words of my kids, he smote!

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RoyGBiv

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Sun Aug-17-08 02:59 AM
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25. Thank you ...

Why don't people here understand this? Why is this so hard? Are we destined to find any excuse possible to bash our candidate?

I'm tellin' you, Obama is a genius.

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