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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:55 AM
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Is intellectual a dirty word in any other country?
I'm just curious. People in the media keep calling Obama the "I-word" to mean a negative--like it's a code-word for "effete, pampered, and gay."

Perhaps unique among Western nations, our country seems to prefer "horse sense," more than anything else--you know, the old-fashioned, home-spun common sense that prompted our current President decide that Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were in cahoots because, well, they're both A-rabs. Meanwhile, future Nobel-prize winner Al Gore was derided as "boring."

Methinks that if Thomas Jefferson ran for President today, he wouldn't make it past New Hampshire.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:56 AM
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1. Stalin put them to death.
They are a 'threat' to fascism.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:02 PM
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4. & Mao, & Pol Pot...
the list goes on.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:02 PM
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5. Mao's China....Pol Pot....Mussolini.....Hitler
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 12:18 PM by Gabi Hayes
Myanmar

EVERY authoritarian regime uses the intellectuals they agree with to strengthen their hold

they destroy any intellectual that threatens their power, by whatever means necessary.

re: the Soviets, one of the most effective measures used against dissenter was sending them to Lubyanka, then on to the Gulags, if they failed to see the light

Socrates, anyone?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:56 AM
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2. Its not cool to be smart anymore. The media loves the quick dumb answers
That Bush has made so famous. They don't remember what its like to have thoughtful smart President.
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Franks Wild Years Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:58 AM
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3. No.
Is your answer.

In the event of a McCain win this year, the only possible solution I could offer is that 'Stupid States' are stripped of a certain number of electoral votes.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:03 PM
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6. it would be a change to have a president with brain cells
we have waited 8 years.

(psst. McCain may not have any)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:08 PM
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7. Cambodia in the late 70s
Not too many left.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 12:12 PM
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8. Yes, to quite an extent in England
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 12:12 PM by LeftishBrit
And I mean specifically England, not the UK as a whole. The Scots and Welsh have much more respect for intellectual pursuits.

I don't think the anti-intellectual attitude is as extreme here as in America, however.


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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 01:31 PM
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9. Intellectuals threaten cherished beliefs and values
Particularly when those cherished beliefs and values are opposed to reality.

There is no place for intellectualism in a fascist or proto-fascist culture.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 02:41 PM
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10. I doubt if Saudi Arabia is fond of them
Fundementalists of any monotheistic stripe are not known for the tolerance of anything intellectual.

Plenty more countries fit the mold, but S.A. comes to mind first as one of the more cheerful examples.
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tomg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:27 PM
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11. Actually, the United States has always had
a fairly strong strain of anti-intellectualism. Some of it is rooted in how the concept of equality is misinterpreted and misrepresented ( "if we are all 'equal' then how can those intellectuals be smarter - know better - than me"). Some of it comes out of our early colonial/ expansionist heritage that believed that "the common person" could achieve anything through hard physical work. A chunk of it comes out of the movement in higher education - starting, I think, roughly with Teddy Roosevelt, but probably earlier - that maintained that the purpose of education should be practical and business oriented. Look at the people we uphold in our popular mythos who are "smart:" Thomas Edison and Henry Ford - eminently practical "inventors," but hardly intellectuals. Look at how academics, artists and thinkers are portrayed in general culture.

To a great extent, we have a nation of pundits whereas a number of other countries have a history of public intellectuals, artists and writers. It is a pretty complicated issue as to why and the history, but generally speaking, yes, the United States likes practical, common sense "everypersons" ( who, more often than not are blockheads) and resents and mistrusts intellectuals.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:28 PM
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12. Americans of pretty much all stripes revel in their stupidity.
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 03:28 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: It's the one great American unifier.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:54 PM
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13. Adlai Stevenson was called an "egg head" because he was intellectual and, well bald.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:06 PM
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14. It was in Stalin's USSR. That's one of the reasons Solzhenietzin was imprisoned
Stalin hated academics and other smart people. Just like the GOP does now.
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Wise Child Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:30 PM
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15. I've been told Australians

are somewhat anti-intellectual, while a few T.V. personalities will make a television program showcasing how stupid Americans are.

I've heard that intellectual pursuits are hard to find in Australian cities, and they like to travel alot, not sure if those two are related. Depends upon where an Aussie will journey to, and for what reason.

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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 06:19 PM
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16. This whole business of, "Which
candidate would you want to have a beer with" is exceedingly disturbing and sadly characteristic of the deeply engrained streak of anti-intellectualism in this country which has gotten much worse in the last decades. I don't want a "regular guy" in the Oval office. I want someone brilliant, special and extraordinary --- and yes, intellectual.
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