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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:00 PM
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Biden his time*, Obama's potential VP to Georgia?
* Please spank me if that joke was made before, at least I think I am being original!

I favor Biden the most of the super short list and expect that something will happen when he returns from his Georgia trip..


Biden to Make Own Journey to Georgia

By Paul Kane
As speculation increases that he's a finalist for the Democratic vice-presidential nomination, Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) is heading overseas for a series of meetings with Georgian leaders who are trying to implement the latest cease-fire agreement with Russia.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/16/biden_to_make_own_journey_to_g.html?hpid=sec-politics
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:06 PM
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1. If he weren't in the back pockets of the credit card companies....
I could live with his other peccadilloes. As it is, he destroys Obama's message, even though he's a great Sunday-show attack dog.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:31 PM
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18. The low info voters know his name, reputation as tough, I think he's attractive for those votes nt
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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:08 PM
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2. I think it's Clark
Biden is on the list of speakers at the Convention and Clark isn't, which I think is because he will speak during the slot for "Obama's vp."
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:15 PM
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3. Biden will be back tomorrow...
Just in time to be rolled out as "the pick" on Tuesday...

I guess.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:37 PM
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6. Insteresting.I hope it will be Biden.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:28 PM
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4. show my support for Georgia's people?
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 03:35 PM by ben_meyers
FTA
Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations committee, said he had been asked to go to Georgia by President Mikheil Saakashvili for talks over the conflict with Russia.

"I am going to Georgia this weekend to get the facts first-hand and to show my support for Georgia's people and its democratically-elected government," said Biden in a statement.



I'm getting real confused. I thought the conventional wisdom was that Georgia instigated this crisis at the urging of Bush/Cheney, Rice and Rove, to prop up McCain. I wonder where Obama's foreign policy adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, stands on this whole issue? Didn't he used to be a real hardliner on Russia? And how do any of these statements differ from the Administration's line?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:32 PM
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5. Yeah, Dick Lugar actually sounded better on this than Biden, frankly.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:58 PM
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10. What did he say, essentially?
I think very highly of Lugar.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:07 PM
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11. Lugar said that Georgia should have known that Russia was
Edited on Sun Aug-17-08 04:08 PM by wienerdoggie
just primed and waiting for any excuse to retaliate and invade, and that it would have been best not to provoke them and give them a reason. I didn't see the whole interview, but that part I agreed with. Also, he disagrees with McCrazy about kicking Russia out of the G8.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:15 PM
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12. I agree with that,too (with the value of hindsight)
I'd guess that everybody in DC feels that way (I even heard that Condi said the same thing to President S and warned him not to do it), regardless of what they're saying publicly.

This must have been brewing for a LONG time, since Biden mentioned Georgia and President S. during a debate last November. Amazing what goes on behind the scenes.

Lugar is one of my faves.

Thanks!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:18 PM
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14. Yeah, Lugar is one of my two trusted Repub guys on foreign policy, (along
with Hagel)--he explained that we needed to deal with Russia on a host of issues, including Iran and nuke control. I think his message was that we can't afford to ratchet up the rhetoric to McCainiac levels.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:27 PM
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15. Agree again. I also agree about Hagel. nt
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nsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:41 PM
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7. Brzezinski is not "Obama's foreign policy adviser".
Right-wingers try to inflate his role because he's unpopular with supporters of Israel and they want to draw Jewish voters away from Obama. It's BS.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:57 PM
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9. I've heard conflicting theories that Bushco instigated this, and conversely,
that Rice warned Saakashvili not to make this advance because he wouldn't be able to win it. Don't know if we'll ever know the truth.

It's a dicey situation and I think we, as the US, are caught in the middle since we "support Georgia's democratically elected government". That seems to be the current tact we're taking, but who knows what goes on behind closed doors? That's what sucks about politics -- we can be furious at an ally and disagree with its actions, but have to spout the United States policy.

It's ugly. I don't know how we're going to deal with this.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:29 PM
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17. Biden has to be supportive of US policies or get attacked, he's doing it for "O" imo nt
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 03:41 PM
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8. *
It may be original, but ya gotta admit, it's still pretty corny! :7 :pals:
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:31 PM
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19. ya got me I grew up reading Mad magazine for better or worse!
like me worry?
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:18 PM
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13. Let's get Biden on board
we can use his attack dog skills now.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 04:27 PM
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16. Yes, I can handle some rhetoric regarding the Ruskies now for the benefits that will bring nt
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