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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:47 PM
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Has anyone else here read Stephen Mansfield's, "The Faith of Barack Obama"?
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 12:13 AM by Douglas Carpenter
Please Note: I previously posted this in the Religion/Theology forum, but I thought I might post it here now - since it is relevant to current on going discussions.

No longer being a religious person myself, however having once had an Evangelical background many, many, many years ago, I thought this would be an interesting book to read, when I had learned that the author of the 2004 New York Times bestseller, The Faith of George W. Bush , had written a fairly complimentary book about Sen. Obama and his religious faith.

Now the author, Stephen Mansfield does indeed describe himself as a Conservative-Republican and a Conservative-Evangelical, so it intrigued me to find out what he thought of Sen. Obama's version of socially liberal Evangelical Christianity.

Mr. Mansfield devotes several pages to analyzing the philosophy of Sen. Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. For a conservative writer, he was amazingly open and fair minded toward Rev. Wright. He seemed to look past Rev. Wright's more flamboyant style and extreme rhetoric and concentrated instead on Rev. Wright's interesting mixture of left-wing Liberation Theology with a fairly traditional Evangelical emphasis on repentance and personal salvation.

The author does not seem to have any difficulty accepting that being pro-gay rights and pro-choice was actually incorporated into Rev. Wright's and his Sen. Obama's expression of their theological understanding of social and political liberation as being intrinsic to the Gospel.

The author spends a fair amount of time examining Sen. Obama's early religious background, which in many ways was a lack of religious background. He does make the comment that given that Sen. Obama's mother was an atheist who approached religion respectfully, but anthropologically, and both his Kenya father and Indonesian stepfather were only nominally Muslim, but completely secularist in their worldview, Sen. Obama would probably be the first American president, should he win, who was not consciously raised Christian by their parents.

Nonetheless, Mr. Mansfield does seem to believe that Barack Obama's personal conversion was absolutely genuine and heartfelt. Still he describes Sen. Obama's faith as, skeptical and critical thinking, open minded to other religious traditions and breaking from more traditional Evangelical circles, Sen. Obama clearly believes that their are other paths to God and a life of righteousness than only the Christian model.

Although Mr. Mansfield did not formally endorse Sen. Obama in the race for the Presidency, at least within the pages of this book, there is no doubt that he considers Sen. Obama an absolutely sincere Christian believer who does have a genuine relationship with God. And for largely this reason Mr. Mansfield postulates that Sen. Obama has a unique opportunity to heal many of the divisions in America by bridging the liberal and humanistic side of America with the traditional religious side.

At the very least, I found it a most fascinating book. There is no doubt that for a Conservative Republican who is also a Conservative Evangelical, the author is quite liberally educated and displays an impressive open mindedness.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Wr%2BC09ifL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Barack-Obama-Stephen-Mansfield/dp/1595552502/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218605733&sr=1-1

Powell Books - link:

http://www.powells.com/biblio/2-9781595552501-0
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-08 11:51 PM
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1. I heard about it, as it was recommended to me.
I think that this book link should be posted at some of the website like Belief.net, etc......
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:02 AM
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:16 AM
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3. Being an agnostic of sorts, I'd probably not have gone out of my way to seek that book out.
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 01:28 AM by pnorman
Even more so, since he had also written a similar book about Bush. But I'm learning to look at things with a lot more open-mindedness than I did as an 18 year old iconoclast (60 years ago ---sigh!) So I may give it a try!

My "ethical humanist" belief, is that AL so-called "sacred writings" contain the accumulated wisdom of the people from which they evolved. It's thereby worth studying, although NOT essential. I believe the same "wisdom" can be achieved through a secular route. It's the fantasy & science fiction part that I can not abide. I also suspect that more than a few formal religionists share my belief.

pnorman
On edit: I just checked Audible.com to see if that book was listed. No, but I did see: "No Retreat, No Surrender. One American's fight", by Tom DeLay with Stephen Mansfield. Reading THAT would sure be a test of MY "Faith"!
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Stan08 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 02:44 AM
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4. I have read Stephen Mansfield's Excellent Book
The book was great. I highly recommend Mansfield's educational and easy to read book. The book is especially good for people unfamiliar with black churches. I learned about Black Liberation Theology, which is much different from what I heard on TV. The author is objective. He helps answer why Obama stated in Rev Wright's church for 20 years.

The book also has a very interesting chapter about the religious faith of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and George W Bush.

Check the first video clip below of Mansfield talking about Obama. Mansfield demonstrates a true Christian attitude about someone he does not agree with.

Mansfield says:

Even if we don't agree with him, can't we build something with him. As a follower of Jesus, I am not suppose to hate someone that murders my wife. Yet I am allowed to hate someone that has views that differ from mine. I am disappoints about the level of hate in the church about politics. Frankly, this level of hate is sin and it has to stop.

The Faith of Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFFWS6ioHJc

Clips About Barack Obama's Religious Beliefs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iXVHnv_uo&feature=related

Barack Obama His Christian Faith (MSNBC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4TGtB1YLs

The Dangers of Politics as Entertainment
An very interesting article Mansfield wrote after being on Hannity & Colmes
http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK2JS12XCDS259N



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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 03:18 AM
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5. thanks, I was most impressed with Mr. Mansfield open minded approach in explaining the black church
and liberation theology and how Rev. Wright had integrated liberation theology into more traditional Evangelical theology.

Considering that Mr. Mansfield describes himself as a Conservative-Republican and a Conservative Evangelical, he showed an objectivity and fairness that few liberal whites have ever shown.
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