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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:17 AM
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Forget about Cone-gate, Cross-gate is a much bigger deal.
People (outside of DU) ultimately won't care whether John McCain heard the questions first or not. But, they will care if he lied about his experiences as a POW.

Now Read This
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/the-evidence-th.html?__utma=1.2257205707581003500.1218653187.1219064306.1219068643.8&__utmb=1.1.10.1219068643&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1218653187.1.1.utmcsr=(direct)|utmccn=(direct)|utmcmd=(none)&__utmv=-&__utmk=173985443


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In McCain's version of the story, a guard who had befriended him later drew the cross in the ground.

According to McCain's 1973 retelling of his experience, there was only one guard who he considered human, and that guard befriended him in 1969. (kos diarist Calouste made this connection, which extends into the next two points.)

This means that McCain's Christmas story would have taken place in 1969.

Between when he met that guard and Christmas of 1969, McCain changed prisons. Unless the guard followed him to the new prison, McCain's story is not true.

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In McCain's early stories about his POW years, he made no mention of the story.

At a 1974 prayer breakfast arranged by Ronald Reagan, McCain did not tell the Solzhenitsyn story. He told a completely different one about a prisoner scratching a prayer into a wall. It is unimaginable that he would not have told the "Cross in the Dirt" story if it were true. (kos diarist TomP linked to another version of the prayer breakfast story, but the link was a dead link.)

There is no evidence McCain ever told this story before 1999.

McCain's story has shifted subtly over the years since he first told it in 1999.
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This is only the beginning folks. If evidence exists that McCain lied about such a story that he stole from someone else, he is done.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:19 AM
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1. I'm sure McCain BELIEVES this story is true
which is an early indication of dimentia.

Remember, Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's shortly after leaving office. America cannot handle a president who loses his faculties.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:19 AM
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2. Dupe
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 09:25 AM by IWantAnyDem
Dang
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:31 AM
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8. Remember "The Great Communicator's" penchant for recalling Hollywood plots as real-life events?
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 09:33 AM by KansDem
Not that other candidates don't embellish or exaggerate. Longtime presidential watchers recall some of the claims made by Vice President Al Gore in the 2000 campaign (he "invented" the internet; he and his wife Tipper were the inspiration for the couple in the film Love Story based on the novel by Erich Segal; as a young child, he recalled hearing a song about labor unions which hadn't been written when he claimed he heard it); Senator Obama, according to the New York Times, claimed his parents fell in love during the great civil rights march in Selma, Alabama in 1965, although he actually was born four years earlier. Some of the fond recollections of President Ronald Reagan were often found to be based on myth than reality (like the story he told about the World War Two tail gunner who died in a crash landing because he was too wounded to crawl out of his combat space; the genesis was traced to Hollywood movies not a verifiable incident).

VOA Election Blog

Apparently the Gipper had a knack for freely traversing between the real and make-believe worlds...

On edit: reply to post no. 1...
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:20 AM
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3. I think it all ties in
it speaks to the mans moral fiber...hey its not a bj but it'll do...lol
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:21 AM
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4. I think they're both big deals, because they both go right to his stock in trade: his honor.
That's what he's running on--he's not running on any new ideas, any sweeping reforms--he's running on his POW/military record, and his familiarity to the public. He's had almost 30 years in the House and Senate with nothing to show for it but Keating Five and the failed CFR.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:24 AM
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7. He no longer has any honor
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:22 AM
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5. I don't think you'll EVER find "evidence"! I doubt you'd ever find
"the guard" and no one else could confirm or deny his story!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:33 AM
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9. He had his POW records permanently classified. He went to great lengths to do so.
This is why--he's a total fraud.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:20 AM
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10. I'm not disputing THAT! All I'm saying is that no one will ever be
able to prove it! Same as Shrub! No records and no proof so his supporters just believed his lies!
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 09:23 AM
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6. It is crickets from the MSM so far
however, if it were Obama with the Crossgate it qould be all over the place. Talk about double standard
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