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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:07 AM
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I am getting a little weary of Mudcat and his make believe hillbilly rhetoric.
I am very tired of the good old pretend Southern hillbilly rhetoric he uses. I don't like the terms he uses when he tries to make it sound like we in the South are different somehow and must be catered to carefully.

“The Democrats talk of tolerance, but in reality the only tolerance they ever exhibit is for their own intellectual arrogance — and they don't have tolerance for my culture,” says Mudcat. “They think we're a bunch of hillbilly heathens who go out and burn crosses and do crazy bullshit.

“They don't give a f*** if we're with them or not, because it doesn't matter. The f***ing Republicans have stolen the individual liberties thing and that's why the gun thing is such a big deal.”


Think about what he just said there. He talked of Democrats as though he were not one, though he was with the Edwards' campaign. He calls us intellectually arrogant. He thinks he has to use curse words to make his points.

And I am tired of his trashing of Barack Obama. I have noticed that the advisors and strategists from campaigns that are no longer...can you say Edwards and Clinton....are ganging together to go after Barack Obama and every word and action of his.

More from Mudcat, of whom I am growing very tired.

Dave 'Mudcat' Saunders: Barack Obama's elitist campaign alienates South

Mudcat suggests that John McCain could win Michigan while holding Ohio and Florida. And, unless Mr Obama changes course, “he ain't gonna win Virgina either”.

“Instead of all the high-falutin' exhortation about listening to the better angels, Mr Obama has gotta come out here — and time is short — and emphasise social justice.

“He should say, 'I'm a black guy. I'm not gonna take the Michael Jackson treatment, but the problems of South Side Chicago are the same problems of the Appalachian mountains'. Big sonsofabitches are kicking the little sonsofabitches in the ass. Now I'm one of the little sonsofabitches, so I'm pissed off. Inside every rural Republican is a rural Democrat begging to get out. But we always trip over our johnsons.”


When you get past all the cursing and tough talk, all Mudcat is saying is that the old South is not getting enough attention.

I am a Southerner, and he most surely does not speak for me.






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monomach Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:21 AM
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1. “They think we're a bunch of hillbilly heathens who go out and burn crosses and do crazy bullshit."
That's exactly what I got out of reading that. I think he's a hillbilly heathen who goes out and burns crosses.

The fact that he lets himself be called "mudcat" (whatever the hell that is) just reinforces it.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:28 AM
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2. Given my experience with independent voters who sweat for their daily bread, Mudcat does make a few
good points that Obama and his elite advisers ignore.

I don't see Obama's campaign broadening its appeal to the group of voters that Mudcat tries to represent.

We'll see in November whether that hurts or helps Obama.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:31 AM
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3. I disagree with you.
Mudcat does this all the time....insists that voters in the South are more special than others. Mostly the people he refers to are the 25% who still worship Bush.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:42 AM
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4. Do you say that every point Mudcat makes is false? If so then you and I have different experiences.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:44 AM
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5. No, I said I think his language is insulting.
I don't think the South is any more worthy to be catered to than any other area of our country.

I found him insulting in 2003, 2004, and now.

I don't think we should pander to bigots.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:04 AM
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7. You objected to "South are different somehow and must be catered to carefully."
IMO independent voters in the South are quite different from those in MA, NY, or Ca.

One only need look at such divisive, polarizing issues as abortion, GLBT, evolution, and RKBA to see major differences between some voters in the South and Northeast.

I've never read Mudcat's opinions, I was merely pointing out that the articles you cite do describe many independent voters in the South.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:25 AM
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10. No he doesn't.
In fact, a lot of what he says regarding treatment of Southerners by the Northern "elite" can be seen on this board.

Say something about religion. Someone here will automatically assume the subject/poster/subject of post is Southern.

Vote Republican? You must be a Southerner.

Think Dems are "baby-killers?" Wow. You have to be Southern.

Forget that the mid-West is far more red. Forget that fully 40 to 49 percent of us down here in any given state didn't vote for the joker in the White House. No... we have to be stupid, backward, redneck or fundie because we're Southern.

It's bigotry - every bit as much so as someone who won't vote for Obama because he's allegedly Muslim.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:57 AM
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6. Interesting because as Obama's numbers tighten in other areas
his numbers in the south are improving.

Florida is a good example



But then I wouldn't think that a guy who liks to be called 'Mudcat' would care to much for either facts or numbers.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:06 AM
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8. He might have good things to say...but his language stops me cold.
To be quite frank, I am not so sure about polls right now anyway.

I am a firm believer that pollsters can manipulate us by the use of demographics...

I remember that one poll was using a mostly military area and not telling us that....2004, I think. I think polls can be used to mislead us.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:07 AM
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9. I'm guessing I should be glad I don't know who or what mudcat is
:rofl:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:30 AM
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11. For those on this board who don't know what a mudcat is...
Here:



It's a catfish.

Which, btw, is yet another example of how Northerners look down on Southerners. A mudcat is a fish. That's all. It's not something weird or different or even confined to the South. They're catfish who hang out in mud and apparently put up a helluva fight; therefore, the term is usually assigned to a man who fights for his beliefs. Not that bad, is it?

:eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:39 AM
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12. It's a good fish, but a lousy nickname for a grown man.
I think Mudcat Saunders is too hooked on trying to cater to Southerners.
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