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FormerConservative Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:41 AM
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How does Obama turn this around?
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:45 AM by FormerConservative
McCain falsely accuses Obama of using the "race card" when he didn't. Obama clearly explains how that wasn't the case. Obama's poll numbers fall.

McCain starts running his vapid "celebrity" ads. Obama's poll numbers fall.

McCain makes false statement after false statement about Obama. Then he adds his trademarked "I'll let the people decide/reach their own conclusions" tidbit when questioned on his false accusations. Obama clearly explains how the lies are lies. His poll numbers fall.

He responds with clear, articulate (and sometimes aggressive) responses to this slander. It's not working.

Have Americans become so STUPID that the way to become president is to just lie again and again and again about your opponent? McCain is not going to stop doing this.

HOW DOES OBAMA TURN THIS AROUND?

Even if Obama chooses an attack dog (which I'm hoping for) as VP, his ticket will never stoop so low as to drop false accusation after false accusation against McCain. McCain does not have this problem.

So...I ask again...

HOW DOES OBAMA TURN THIS AROUND?

I'm hoping I'm underestimating the average American. I'm not so sure.


EDIT: sorry for freaking out so much, guys. I just can't believe how the polls are trending..
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:41 AM
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1. Turn WHAT Around? Obama's WINNING
Take a pill, dude.
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FormerConservative Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:42 AM
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2. I'm just concerned with how things are trending...
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:44 AM
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6. Yes, you're obviously very concerned.
:rofl:
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:48 PM
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36. Watch Out for that Paul Krugman Guy,
he's also very concerned.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:44 AM
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7. Concerned, yes, we understand that. Thank you. nt
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:46 AM
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10. Ignore the "take a pill" crowd. Some people are intolerant of criticism.
You ask a good question. Obama hasn't been pitching hard at the media this past week. I think they thought they could take the Olympics week off. McCain has made some good plays in the last week because of this.

But I wouldn't worry too much. I think them doing so, while not a good call, indicates that they have a clear campaign PR schedule lined up, starting with this week's announcement who their VP will be. They've reacted perfectly and learned quickly from all other PR mistakes and potholes so far this year. I assume they have a strong proactive game plan for the fall.

McCain has had a good week; that doesn't mean Obama has had a bad one.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:52 AM
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19. Can't a man enjoy a damn vacation before the general campaign starts?
Obama hasn't been pitching hard at the media this past week.

He's been on fucking vacation the past week, after campaigning for pretty much 20 months straight.

Why so many people (not necessarily you, Bucky - you seem to understand that they've got a media strategy, and the discipline to stick to it, in place for Fall) go into a dead faint every time McCain says something about Obama is beyond me.

Is DU really that addicted to drama? It really gets exhausting after a while.

- as
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:00 PM
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22. People aren't fainting from McCain speaking. They're watching the polls.
McCain has moved up in most polls this past week. It's just a bump, but it shows that the Olympics were not the total attention vampire the Obama camp seems to have assumed.

Obama is not running for president all by himself. If he takes a vacation, fine. Yes, he deserves that and yes he timed this one perfectly--no doubt he's quietly spending some time during Olympics week prepping for the convention as well. But that said, it would have been much better if they'd had some strong campaign surrogates--those who were not in contention for VP like Dick Durbin or Al Gore--go out and make a little more noise about McCain's deficiencies while McCain's people were making noise at Obama's expense.

It's a small mistake, strategically speaking. Hopefully it'll be one they learn from.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:13 PM
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25. Some of us are too afraid not to worry...
Some of us remember when it looked like John Kerry was a sure bet to win, too, and yet we still have a Chimpy in the white house.

If all of us believed that the other side played fair, we wouldn't have anything to worry about.

But as for me, I'm going to "worry" a little until Obama is sworn in. And you'll just have to forgive me that, but it's a life lesson that I've learned well.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:20 PM
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26. Agreed. Sadly, those are good points.
Obama needs to lead big enough so the election can't be stolen.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:47 AM
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13. Yep, "concern" describes you very aptly. n/t
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:52 AM
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20. Attack McCain for being dishonest
Create the narrative that McCain will say anything to be elected. Include the many flip flops, the endless unfounded lies about Obama, the kitchen sink strategy. Include in the narrative that McCain can't win on the issues because he is only more of Bush. All he can do is lie and smear and hope some if it sticks. Ask what happened to the McCain we used to know. What happened to honor and integrity? Now we only get smears and lies and innuendos. this is the Real McCain. If Obama won't do it, we need a 527 to go for the jugular.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:11 PM
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32. AND, pair him with Bush ...
in every possible way ...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:42 AM
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3. Quite simple, actually, continue what he has been doing....
hammering McCain with the truth, with the facts.

There is no "turn this around" needed.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:42 AM
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4. Turn what around? Obama's numbers still have him at a substantial win, state by state.
Whiny McBush is toast.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:11 PM
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31. No and no ...
His state by state numbers have started to drop also - they held for a month while the national numbers dropped, but they are dropping as we speak ...

and, no, Mcpukebag is NOT toast ...

This is not ANYWHERE near to being in the bag ...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:43 AM
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5. we just have to show more concern thats all
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:51 AM
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18. .
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 11:54 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:06 PM
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24. lol got it before you erased it lol

in a campaign having an inexhaustable supply of positive outlook is not only a good thing but an essential element for victory. One of the things that I appreciate about DU is that there are some very well informed sceptics (like yourself) that challenge 'the faithful'.

I would prefer the label of apologist but accept cheerleader although I would have to say that I try and dig deeper to find substantive things to cheer about than simply salute the parade (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6656760&mesg_id=6656760)

One of the things about Obama, I find, is that if you take his side in an argument you are likely to win or atleast find enough to battle towards a draw.

What is the value of commisserating at this point about a weak position on the civil rights of all that is inherently a part of the argument for same sex marriages? If he changes now it would lose votes.

When somebody has a well based criticism or concern it deserves a serious response but I thought my gentle poke in the ribs suited his general hand wringing hysteria.

Thanks for erasing the reply but having faced death threats a snarky reply isn't going to hurt my feelings. Actually I consider it a compliment in this case.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:25 PM
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28. I deleted after noting the OPs post count
I believe in cheer-leading and un-conflicted advocacy. I just don't think it needs to be universal.

I cannot speak for everyone, but I don't often attack people for posting overly optimistic stuff. That's their post. Cool.

But I am a strong believer in DU being a discussion forum where folks say whatever they sincerely believe without being pressured into adopting a party line, no matter how benign.

And I seriously doubt that loose posts sink ships.

That said, I don't feel like categorically defending the OP because it may well be disingenuous, so I'll save my comments for the defense of people I know for sure are sincere long-time Democrats who happen to have a less rosy point of view.

(Having been thanked for my concern a zillion times, I can say it's a thoughtless tactic with serious implications that folks don't always recognize. It is a specific allegation that someone is a republican disruptor.)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:00 PM
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30. agree completely and after 40 years of disappointment it feels good to

finally have someone that seems to be worthy of trust.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:45 AM
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8. Stop thinking he is bigger than the Party and embrace being a partisan Democrat
He is polling behind the party, not ahead of it. Stop trying to be the next Reagan and grab onto the Democratic party and hope it can carry you to the narrow victory the numbers and circumstances would guarantee any Dem candidate this year.

If you make it plain you are embarrassed to be a Democrat voters pick up on that.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:45 AM
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9. Attack.
Nuanced messages of hope and truth don't carry much weight with the average American voter (sadly).

Barack has to go on the offensive. It's clear McCain is going to throw at least as much mud as Bush did at Kerry in 2004. Barack needs to let McCain have it, ferociously and often.

I wish it wasn't that way, but it is.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:46 AM
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11. I'd like to see his attack dog drop TRUE accusations
there are plenty of them to go around, I just wish they would be aggressively highlighted

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:46 AM
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12. Why the fuck would Obama want to turn it around?
HE's DEMOLISHING McCone!
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:01 PM
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23. I think the OP means that Obama needs to go in a circle
And run over McSame again.

You know, just to make sure.


Got to LOVE the concern trolls. It's almost sad to see them twisting in the wind.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:47 AM
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14. "Turn this around"?
He is ahead. No need to turn anything around.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:48 AM
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15. How does Obama turn around keeping McCain below 45%?!?
Granted, he needs a VP attack dog to go after McCain.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:49 AM
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16. Obama is ahead and we haven't even had our VP pick or convention, stop fretting so much.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:50 AM
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17. The Obama campaign needs to remind everyone McCain = Bush
McCain will continue the Bush presidency, same as before, only a different name and different face. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. He's McSame as Bush, and Americans don't want more of the same.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 11:53 AM
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21. Attack McCain for being dishonest
Create the narrative that McCain will say anything to be elected. Include the many flip flops, the endless unfounded lies about Obama, the kitchen sink strategy. Include in the narrative that McCain can't win on the issues because he is only more of Bush. All he can do is lie and smear and hope some if it sticks. Ask what happened to the McCain we used to know. What happened to honor and integrity? Now we only get smears and lies and innuendos. this is the Real McCain. If Obama won't do it, we need a 527 to go for the jugular.

(posted above a moment ago but I didn't want it to get lost.)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:27 PM
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29. Also, NEVER EXPLAIN YOURSELF. That is a cardinal sin in politics. If someone accuses you of X
you don't waste time explaining.

You change the narrative and attack candidate on Y.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 12:21 PM
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27. Obama doesn't turn this around. YOU do.
Donate!!

Phone bank

Register voters

Email the MSM when you see complete bullshit. This could be a career if you can keep from killing yourself.

After you've done everything else above, share your deepest concern with members of this board.




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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:12 PM
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33. It's 2008, and they can't fool all of the people all of the time.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:15 PM
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34. Turn it around? You hope he loses?
Obama is winning but thanks for your concern post. The Clintons thank you for your efforts to demean the nominee some more before he accepts the nomination. HRC2012 or bust doncha know?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 01:16 PM
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35. your post doesn't mention that the dips have not been aggregate
after every dip, there has been a subsequent rise.

Obama has lost no ground. It just takes people a couple days to wade through McAnus's bullshit.

no need to freak out. Tropics_Duditus is contagious.
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specterderrida Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 02:01 PM
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37. But no evidence that he is actually gaining any substantal ground
either. That is worrisome to say the least.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:00 PM
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38. you mean McCain? You're right. He has gained no ground.
and the Repukes are worried to say the least.
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