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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:05 PM
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Military service does not guarantee the White House
Looking back at past elections, it appears the American public seldom feels obligated to reward military “heroes” with the presidency.

The following list has a few holes in it (input is welcomed), but it suggests that the war hero is actually a bit less likely to win the election.

2004 – Kerry had the better military service record but lost to Bush Jr.
2000 - Gore had the better military service record but lost to Bush Jr.
1996 - Dole had the better military service record but lost to Clinton.
1992 – Bush Sr. had the better military service record but lost to Clinton.
1988 - ??? Bush Sr. or Dukakis?
1984 - ??? Reagan or Mondale?
1980 – Carter had the better military service record but lost to Reagan.
1976 - ??? Carter or Ford?
1972 – McGovern had the better military service record but lost to Nixon.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:08 PM
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1. And once being a POW doesn't mean someone is incapable of lying
and, as tough as it was... it doesn't mean you're a hero either. Sorry.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:08 PM
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2. If you're a Democrat! nt
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:21 PM
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6. Did Clinton have military service?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:57 PM
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8. Nope. College deferment (tho unlike Cheney he actually went to classes)
Later he signed up for the draft, but drew a low number and was never called in.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 04:53 PM
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9. Yes I know.
Although my understanding of Clinton's draft history is somewhat different than yours, I was replying to the poster who said lack of military service just hurts Democrats. That is not true.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:40 PM
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10. Clinton was more coomplicated than that
He would have been drafted upon graduating from college, but he pulled strings to avoid it. He had won the right to be a Rhodes scholar but needed to get out of the draft. He did this by agreeing to return and go to the University of Arkansas law school and jjoin ROTC there. Making this agreement - a ROTC colonel was able to get him out of the draft so he could go to England. When the draft was changed to the lottery, Clinton broke that agreement. Now, all of that made sense because he at that time 1969/1970 was completely against the war.

This became a problem in 1992, because he lied about it - giving as a first response that he didn't remember if he ever got a draft notice. As a girl then, I never got one, but I can tell you I know receiving that letter was not easily forgotten by any guy I knew. He spoke of getting a low lottery number - but it then came out that he was vulnerable before the draft. He said he pulled no strings when he did. He was then caught when the letter came out. The surrogate who helped him the most in getting past this - John Kerry, war hero.

In the primaries, Kerry defended Clinton's choice and begged fellow Democrats not to re-open the wounds caused by Vietnam. Kerry ignored the lies, speaking just on the decision not to serve - the speech is beautiful as was Kerry's motivation - he was not for Clinton, he was a friend of Tsongus and Kerrey. (link to speech - http://journals.democraticunderground.com/karynnj/18 )

Where he had a problem was that in deciding not to honor the agreement he wrote a letter that was, to some degree, a slap in the face of the man who helped him avoid the draft. One line spoke of how some loathed the military.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:09 PM
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3. Mondale was in the Army...
So was Ronnie (reserves), but being near-sighted was supposedly enough to keep him from serving during WW2. Ronnie, who rarely wore his glasses, even in old age.

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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:12 PM
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5. Thanks! Sounds like Mondale had the better military record for 1988. (nt)
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:10 PM
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4. For the record...
1988 - Poppy Bush served in WW2, Dukakis served in the U.S. Army 1955–1957.

1984 - Reagan worked in a war film department in WW2, Mondale was in the army during Korea, but had a stateside billet.

1976 - Ford and Carter were both navy vets, but Ford served during WW2, Carter during peace time

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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:30 PM
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7. Great info.
So, it would appear the candidate with the better military service record:

-- won in 1988

-- lost in 1976

-- and 1984 was a draw
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