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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:45 PM
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John McCain is not being swiftboated, he is being called out for lying
Being a former POW doesn't give one carte blanche to lie and plagiarize. This is not about his service in Vietnam, it's about his lying today.

McCain On Swift-Boating Book: "Gotta Keep Your Sense Of Humor"

Questioning McCain's integrity is not the same as question his service.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:47 PM
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1. I want to know what's in his POW records. I think we the people have the right to know.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:52 PM
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3. Do you suppose the North Vietnamese would respond to a FOI request?
Someone could try I suppose.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 04:06 PM
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9. I don't know where the records are--just know that McCrazy worked really
hard to make sure they would never see the light of day.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:52 PM
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2. Those who think pointing out McCain lies is a swiftboating
......have fallen for the GOP trap they were aiming for when they promoted POW McCain to be their nominee.

The GOP expect he's inoculated from any criticism.

They are wrong.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:53 PM
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4. He constantly plays the POW-card. Mccain, Pow, stumped in ....
The RWers speak of him like Muslims speak of Muhammed. Instead of Peace be with him, it's pow.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 03:58 PM
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5. They are distorting the meaning of swifboating and are providing cover for McCain
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 03:59 PM by ProSense
McCain questions Obama's ability to be commander in chief:

ORLANDO, Florida (CNN) -- Sen. John McCain questioned his Democratic opponent's ability to be commander in chief in an address before a national veterans convention Monday.

McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said Sen. Barack Obama's opposition to President Bush's "surge" strategy, which increased troop levels in Iraq in 2007, and his response to the recent crisis in Georgia raised questions about the Illinois Democrat's judgment.

"Behind all of these claims and positions by Sen. Obama lies the ambition to be president. What's less apparent is the judgment to be commander in chief," McCain told the national Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Orlando.

"And in matters of national security, good judgment will be at a premium in the term of the next president -- as we were all reminded 10 days ago by events in the nation of Georgia."


McCain is a liar exploiting his POW status and his integrity is very much fair game.



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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 04:00 PM
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6. Exactly!
I started an OP on the same thing.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 04:03 PM
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7. I am amazed by the continuing attempt to suppress the issue on DU....
Edited on Mon Aug-18-08 04:05 PM by Spazito
using the hot button term "swiftboating" to describe the legitimate questions surrounding McCain's honesty is something I would expect to find on other sites as opposed to DU given we KNOW "swiftboating" is telling disgusting lies ala Corsi books on Kerry and Obama.

I totally agree with you wrt the difference between raising questions regarding McCain's integrity not being the same as questioning his service.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 05:57 PM
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10. Also, look at his statement about Corsi. n/t
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 04:04 PM
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8. word. nt
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 06:00 PM
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11. Thank you. n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 07:59 PM
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12. I think you're referring to my post. I was speaking only of the fellow POW's...
piece, not the Cross issue. That was my analogy. Fellow vets criticized Kerry, and it was called Swiftboating. A fellow prisoner criticized McCain.

I was offline most of the day and came online to the POW post at the top of the Greatest Page with 150 recs or so. I was then told that the story "de jour" was the Cross story, and that most responders to my post thought that's what I was talking about. That was not the case. I'm sorry if I, so to speak, missed the Boat.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 08:11 PM
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13. In part, but it's a general statement. As I pointed out:
People often ask if I was a Prisoner of War with John McCain. My answer is always "No - John McCain was a POW with me." The reason is I was there for 8 years and John got there 2 ½ years later, so he was a POW for 5 ½ years. And we have our own seniority system, based on time as a POW.

John's treatment as a POW:

1) Was he tortured for 5 years? No. He was subjected to torture and maltreatment during his first 2 years...


Posted here

That commentary doesn't not constitute swiftboating. It's not an orchestrated malicious effort, funded by partisan billionaires, to lie about McCain's service. It's one person's opinion, and he specifically states that McCain was a POW for 5 1/2 years and was tortured. The entire statement highlights McCain honorably service, but questions why it should afford him preferential treatement as a candididate for President.

It is not statement calling McCain's service into question.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-08 10:34 PM
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14. Oops, let's try that again
That commentary does not constitute swiftboating. It's not an orchestrated malicious effort, funded by partisan billionaires, to lie about McCain's service. It's one person's opinion, and he specifically states that McCain was a POW for 5 1/2 years and was tortured. The entire statement highlights McCain honorable service, but questions why it should afford him preferential treatment as a candididate for President.


I have no excuse for the other post, my eyes were open.





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