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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:24 AM
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Why is McCain suddenly downplaying 'Cross in the dirt'?
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/why-is-mccain-s.html

Why is McCain suddenly downplaying 'Cross in the dirt'?

McCain's ghost writer Mark Salter now claims CITD wasn't a pivotal moment for McCain:

As for assertions that the "cross in the dirt" story was a "pivotal" experience in McCain's time as a POW, Salter said, "That's just plain bulls—t. His pivotal experience was his refusal of early release and the three or four days of torture he took for it, his confession, and his attempted suicide. That was his pivotal experience. He's never represented to be that."


But on Saturday McCain said:

I'll never forget that moment.


And in October 2007, according to the Christian Science Monitor, McCain said it was the most profound experience of his time as POW (emphasis added):

For McCain, there were other moments of grace in prison. While in solitary confinement, he would be left for the night with his arms tied back in a painful position. One night, a guard walked in and loosened the ropes, then came back five hours later and tightened up the ropes again, without saying a word. Two months later, on Christmas Day, McCain was allowed to stand outside for 10 minutes in a courtyard, and that same guard came up to him. The guard stood beside him for a minute, then drew a cross in the dirt with his sandal and stood there for a minute, looking at McCain silently. A few minutes later he rubbed it out and walked away.

"My friends, I will never forget that man," McCain recounts during a town-hall meeting with voters, his voice choked with emotion. "I will never forget that moment. And I will never forget the fact that no matter where you are, no matter how difficult things are, there's always going to be someone of your faith and your belief and your devotion to your fellow man who will pick you up and help you out and bring you through."

It was, he said later, the most transcendent and uplifting experience of his imprisonment.



It's obvious that Salter is trying to minimize a story that McCain himself was hyping just two days earlier.

What is he afraid of?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:26 AM
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1. Is Salter channeling McCone again? He's worse than Rove.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:28 AM
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2. He "is" Rove imo. This guy is welded to McBush's butt. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:24 AM
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16. Hey Weinerdoggie, I really wish there's be some poking into Salter/McCain cause
it looks like McCain has been wholly invented by Salter
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:37 AM
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3. McCain did say that it was a pivotal experience for him...
...he just wasn't speaking for his campaign.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:39 AM
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4. They did not think we know about The Google
:silly:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:40 AM
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5. Here's PROOF it's a LIE
Faux NEws didn't mention the CitD story ONCE during their analysis.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:42 AM
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6. What is he afraid of?
It is obvious he knows the "cross in the sand" was a crock and it was a crock he, as McCain's ghost writer thought would make his creation look good, he's afraid that, now, people know he and his manufactured candidate are lying.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:45 AM
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7. Exactly! I'll go a step further and suggest this book was written so
they could refer to it when he was running. I imagine there are many lies in there. I also imagine they had no clue that we would question the tall tales of a POW. :eyes:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:18 AM
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14. They have worked VERY hard to put a firewall around....
'John McCain the sacrosanct POW' and they cannot afford for that firewall to be breached in any way because if it is, the whole creation that is 'John McCain the sacrosanct POW' is laid bare.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:48 AM
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8. If the story is true
lets go to Vietnam and meet the guard.

My hunch is he doesn't exist.. and never existed
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:52 AM
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9. As was pointed out yesterday, all the VN were 'gooks' to McSame.
Why the change of heart only when it benefitted him? This all stinks to high heaven.
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 08:54 AM
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10. Salter said, "That's just plain bulls—t.."
You said a MOUTHFUL, Mark.

So did McPlagiarist. Too bad Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said it FIRST.

McScrewtheTroops was a traitor who aided and abetted the USA's enemies during the USA-Vietnam War. PERIOD. He violated his oath as an officer and he violated the Code of Conduct. PERIOD.

ASK the Vietnam Vets and POWs...and compare the treatment of McCain with that of other POWs:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/smith_mc.htm

McCain admits that three to four days after he was captured, he promised the Vietnamese, "I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

On June 4, 1969, a U.S. wire service story headlined "PW Songbird Is Pilot Son of Admiral," reported one of McCain's radio broadcasts: "Hanoi has aired a broadcast in which the pilot son of the United States commander in the Pacific, Adm. John McCain, purportedly admits to having bombed civilian targets in North Vietnam and praises medical treatment he has received since being taken prisoner.


Even though news reports of McCain collaborating with the enemy continued from the time he was captured in 1967 through 1970, the Navy never considered prosecution as an option.

Instead, Pentagon pencil pushers chose a political spin that lifted McCain, the former POW turned U.S. Senator, up to a glorified pedestal where he sprouted a halo and wings and became America's "POW-hero" and today a presidential candidate.



Compared to:

After two-years of being held as prisoners of war under the most brutal circumstances in the steamy, mosquito infested jungle of South Vietnam, Army Staff Sgt. George E. Smith and Sp/5 Claude McClure could take the torture no more. They asked for and were granted parole. In November 1965, the two demoralized POWs were led across the Cambodian border and released by their Viet Cong captors.

Following their release, Smith and McClure held a press conference in Phnom Penh and made statements that opposed U.S. involvement in Vietnam.


After the debriefing the Army informed them that they were being charged with violating Article 104 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice by "preparing, furnishing, and delivering to the Viet Cong certain documents, statements and writings inimical to the interest of the U.S."

Shocked and demoralized, Smith and McClure quickly learned that the charge of aiding the enemy carries the death penalty and that they could be tried by a military tribunal without witnesses.

Then, the Army dropped another bomb shell in their laps. Their debriefings, which they had given freely and openly were to be used as evidence against them.

Members of the press accepted the Pentagon's accusations against the two enlisted men without investigation or verification of the facts. Some elements of the media printed stories which referred to them as "turncoats."
...
In April 1966, the Pentagon announced to the press that although Smith and McClure had not been totally cleared, the charges were being dismissed because there was "not sufficient evidence to prove a violation."

Smith and McClure were given a less than honorable discharge and drummed out of the Army, their reputations tarnished forever.


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:06 AM
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11. I'd also like to know what he's hiding; he adamantly refuses to have
his military records released? Now why is that? And why was he protected?
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sourmilk Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:12 AM
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12. Son and Grandson of Admirals - protected family, fortunate son.
This is one reason that the only "Vets for McCain" organisations you will ever see are comprised of people who spay and neuter for a living.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:21 AM
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13. What a complete mis-understanding of the power of God in one's life.
In the OP, McCain said to a town hall group about the Cross in the Sand story

"And I will never forget the fact that no matter where you are, no matter how difficult things are, there's always going to be someone of your faith and your belief and your devotion to your fellow man who will pick you up and help you out and bring you through."

Someone of "Your faith"? "Your belief"? "Your devotion to your fellow man"?

How very small.

What Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew is, "Lo, I am with you always".

Christ/ God will be with you, love you, and comfort you even if you are suffering terribly.

There is no promise that you will be healthy, rich or safe. And there certainly isn't any promise that there will always be another Baptist (or Catholic, Muslim, Jew, Pentecostal, or whatever you are identified with) to help you when you need help.

McCain gives evidence every time he speaks about religion that he knows litte about Christianity - nor any of the other major religions, either.

McCain's version of things seems - surprise! - self-centered. It's all about your own (really, his) beliefs. Not about the great mysteries of life or the universe or the great themes of life and redemption.

No, to him it seems to be about his version of some pedestrian notion of validating his own brand of religious precepts.

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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:20 AM
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15. It wasn't a pivotal moment in his life because it never happened to him.
That's why.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:31 AM
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17. Backpedaling on a HUGE FREAKIN LIE!
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:44 AM
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18. 'cause he lied and got caught?
:shrug:
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 12:35 PM
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19. It plays into the always popular "all good people are Christian" BS
The gullible freepers never get enough of the Christian Superiority propaganda. Even in Vietnam you can run into a nice Christian person! Christians are good people, and good people are Christians. Yaaaay! Let's vote for McLame!

Was the Vietnamese guy who saved McCain after he crashed also a Christian? He doesn't seem to have made as big as impression as CITD guy. Maybe if he would have made the sign of the cross in some way McCain would thank him for saving his sorry ass.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 01:27 PM
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20. I hear the sound of tap dancing ...
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