At this point, it's not whether we WANT Clinton, it's

whether it even could be her. It's my understanding that she wasn't vetted, and even more significantly, Bill wasn't. So that's that, isn't it?:shrug:

Weirdly, I feel more receptive to the idea now than I ever have. I wasn't a supporter during the primaries, and I didn't want her as VP either. But she seems preferable to some of the wishy washies on the so-called shortlist.

I'm not saying they have not been. Maybe they weren't. IDK. But where did you hear that?

I remember reading it from several DUers, and assumed they knew what they were talking about. Obviously, no one knows. The thing I really remember was that Bill wasn't vetted, supposedly, and I don't remember anyone challenging that. But again, who knows? Anyone who claims to know doesn't, and I hope my OP didn't read that way.

your OP wasn't offensive at all. One of the nicer ones. Just asking :hug:

the rw smears against them. Just LOOK at what his approval ratings were.

I'm not saying it's Clinton, I think it'll be a man. But the Hillary Hate is rampant. And blatant.

And there's a reason you haven't heard much from the GOP about his shady business deals and extramarital activities. They've been waiting to use them against Hillary.

Sources close to the Obama campaign indicated that Mr Clinton's reluctance to disclose who has donated money to his presidential library and even concerns about possible extra-marital affairs mean that his wife would not pass the vetting procedure all potential running mates have to undergo.

"It is absolutely standard operating procedure that vice-presidential candidates today must be fully vetted," a Democratic official close to the Obama campaign told The Daily Telegraph. "That means their finances and everything about them.


"Bill Clinton's not going to submit to vetting. He has not released details of the contributors to his library or his personal finances.

"Everything has to be disclosed to the law firm overseeing this process."

"There's a questionnaire. It covers everything, including, 'Have you got any girlfriends?'"

"On the Bill Clinton factor, one of the questions Senator Obama and his allies repeatedly asked during the primaries was why they wouldn't release the records for the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Library.

"Before Hillary could be considered a VP candidate, the Obama campaign would have to see those records to know how the money was raised and whether there are any ticking time bombs in there. The Clintons were pretty adamantly against it when her candidacy was on the line so it's hard to see how they'd be for it for Obama's candidacy."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2403696/Bill-Clinton-problem-rules-out-Hillary-as-Barack-Obama%27s-running-mate.html

who knows what may have happened since then.

All candidates, however, have drawbacks.

Can we agree on that?

Presidency. What a mess.

She's been over-vetted for over 15 YEARS!

At least they started to act that way today.

I'm not worried about fluctuating poll numbers, but if Obama still hasn't made up his mind (which I can't believe), I would start to worry.

before the VP decision comes down.

:eyes:

but I actually heard one of them say that Hillary and Bill can't be vetted on this short notice. I think it's common knowledge that at least Bill hasn't been.

we've already seen, or all the planted threads are starting to do a number on your head. (I'm referring to you being receptive to the idea.)

And you are right--Bill wouldn't submit to being financially vetted. She wasn't in consideration because of that official reason, though I'm sure there were about a hundred other reasons, too.

that everyone will magically fall in line an become overjoyed. There will be many who will lose their enthusiam for him because they hate Hillary and believe that he was force somehow to choose her.

I know I would have a hard time with it and I would have a hard time watching Bill,Ferraro,carville and others seemingly now fall into line and then trying to take over and trying to have everything done the way they want it AND WHEN OBAMA DOESN'T DO WHAT THEY WANT THEY WILL START LEAKING...to Hannity and friends. I don't trust these people..

I would seriously question his judgement for the first time if he did that.

to make us believe that he is not qualified as though she is so magnificent that he can not win without her I say bullshit, and veiled racism. I guess it is time for locking because I brought up the R word but, it is what it is no matter how many try to sugarcoat it..

Well, I mean what other conclusion am I supposed to draw from it?

Compare: Obama NEEDS Hillary, because he doesn't have the EXPERIENCE she does (give me a freaking break, just because she stood in the operating room doesn't mean she knows how to do the damn heart transplant). Oh he just wouldn't be able to SURVIVE without her. The poor black man needs the strong white woman to help him!

And: John McCain accusing Obama of RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. I mean, HOW DARE HE? What is he, UPPITY?

so that they can begin their criticisms they are already spinning the fact that he will HAVE to give a REASON why he didn't choose Hillary. Will he HAVE to give a reason why he didn't choose the other candidates in the primaries...

it's made out like she's the queen of charity and graciousness and o how wonderful Hillary is, isn't she grand, what a lady! what a fighter, isn't she just swell gosh darn

:puke:

got to make you wonder when she does normal ordinary things (like supporting the democratic nomineeee should be!!!!!!!), she expects to be treated like she's some kind of goddess of greatness.

need her husband the King because he is the only one who can win against the republiCONS..If that is the case we will never win...What will they do when there are no more Clintons..

without the Clintons? Let's see, life would go on, the sun would still rise and set, and everything would be fine.

Everything she does, it's like everyone has to kiss her feet because she condescended to do it in the first place. It's not even so much coming from her (though I definitely have gotten that vibe for a while) but from her supporters, who act as though a single word about not wanting her as a VP is PROMOTING DISUNITY and will go so far as to threaten to withhold their vote from Obama. Like it's a cheap bargaining chip. Gah.

all those 300+ advisors (however distantly). As Susan Rice said, he takes a back seat to no one on security and policy. Yet, the public perception is another. Biden would be an automatic reassurance for many, something Hillary could not bring, despite how Penn first portrayed her. This is perception, now.

on FoPo. He even copped the "we need a Pakistan policy, not a Musharraf policy" line from him.

:thumbsup:

I just heard someone say this on the radio. There will be the 3am commerical again with " do you know where you husband is" concerning Hillary plus the election will become more focused on Bill and Hillary and their marriage.

Obama has already chosen his VP and we'll see Saturday by a few accounts.

It's not like Obama didn't do oppo research on she and Bill for a year. The campaign has worked harder to find dirt on Hillary than they have on Kaine, just not in a formal VP vetting process.

Put it this way, if the concluded they needed her on the ticket to win then who donated what to which foundation would be minor in comparison. If if they don't feel they need her to win it's a moot point.

but that doesn't mean anything to the obsessed