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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:13 PM
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Tom Daschle and Evan Bayh were called and told they will not be 'it' according to several sources.
This from Steve Clemons and Washington Notes:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/08/why_radio_silen/

Tom Daschle and Evan Bayh were called and told they will not be 'it' according to several sources. I don't have anything on Tim Kaine -- other than insiders tell me that Obama has decided against him -- mostly because he doesn't help check off the foreign policy box or experience box. I just don't hear much about Kathleen Sebelius so am not counting her as a strong candidate.

Wesley Clark and Bill Richardson were not seriously considered according to sources -- and Jack Reed, who Obama likes a great deal, would not allow himself to be vetted. I don't believe Chris Dodd was high on the list.

Sam Nunn was knocked out by progressives, and this blog may have helped with regard to his unreformed position on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."


Hagel would be a game-changing choice on a few levels -- but one of those levels could produce a strange scenario in which his selection could anger enough super delegates that they would revolt and hand Hillary Clinton a surprise convention victory. That means Hagel is not a real option.

Hillary Rodham Clinton would be a shocker -- a move that would both force everyone to catch their breath and say 'wow' while at the same time animating Republicans who were asleep with their own candidate's blandness to arise and work against an Obama-Clinton win. Essentially, I think Obama has decided against Hillary and what he fears would be a dysfunctional presidency with her -- even though an Obama/Clinton ticket is one of the few combinations that looks like a knock out punch to McCain and the Republicans.

But that leaves Joe Biden, who was recently traveling in Georgia and surveying the situation there. In typical Biden style, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman specified where Russia had crossed inappropriate lines but he did so without squealing in some hyperventilating manner like so many other pundits and observers have. And he left portals open to explore what is right, and what is effective and in American interests regarding future such situations as Georgia and NATO. He didn't jump behind Georgia full stop on everything. Biden was judicious -- and we need more of that.

But has Biden heard a word from Obama or his team?

My sources say NO.

According to one source, there has been total radio silence.

Well, be thankful for radio silence I guess when other candidates for VP are getting phone calls saying "Sorry....but we look forward to working with you in many other ways in the coming years."

The word that Obama has not communicated with Biden makes him, in the estimation of many, the likely candidate -- as Obama knows that Biden will accept on a moment's notice. I confirmed this with a person very close to the Delaware Senator.

The thinking is that the moment a VEEP candidate gets the positive nod from Obama, the candidate then tells his spouse and family -- and they can't help but tell close family and friends, and then bloggers like me get the drift and put it out there. To keep it quiet and the decision un-firm continues the buzz, hype and dominance of the media by Team Obama -- and also keeps Obama's options open until the last possible moment lest something unexpected pop up.

Intrade, which is a futures prediction market, confirms much of what I have written. The last trade has Biden surging 19 points to 50% probability of selection.

What is interesting is the roster of other rankings:

Biden 50%

Kaine 15.5%

Sebelius 13.9%

Clark 12.9%

Bayh 12.7%

Clinton 9.3%

Dodd 3.0%

Rendell 2.0%

Gephardt 5.0%

Bloomberg 1.5%

Gore 3.0%

Cohen 2.0%

John Edwards 0.5%

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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:14 PM
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1. Good. He needs someone with like NO Washington baggage.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:19 PM
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2. Biden is a lot lower on intrade now, I guess this was a few hours ago
the article was posted.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:20 PM
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3. That's a relief.....
but who knows, any bets on getting a text message tomorrow?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:24 PM
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4. Nunn will go to his grave knowing that
he fucked himself over with his own bigotry.

People have long memories.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:29 PM
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8. Hi, ruggerson. What is it with Nunn, anyway? On an entire grocery
list of issues, he deliberately positioned himself against the flow of history.

He could have been the "New Voice" of the American South, the messianic modern-day Huck Finn With a Degree champion, and he deliberately pissed it away.

That is just astonishing to me.

If the report the OP cites is accurate, it will be a relief to me. Nunn is the only "Democrat" I really can't stand.


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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:45 PM
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16. Since people have long memories I'm sure that they will also remember that...
Senator Nunn has been nominated three times for the Nobel Peace Prize and earlier this year he won the Hessian Peace Prize.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:14 PM
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33. That is very sad to hear n/t
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:56 AM
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37. Wasn't he also chairman of the Armed Services Committee when Cheney was nominated
for Secretary of Defence, and just let him through!

Maybe he had no other choice, but that on its own gives me the creeps!

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:16 PM
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22. I simply loathe that man.
The Loathing Song sums it up for me and my feelings about him.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:25 PM
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5. I think people might be sleeping on Webb
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:26 PM
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6. I'm uplifted to see Leonard Cohen's name still in contention.
God, I love that man's music. Excellent prose and poetry writer as well.

I think he'd be terrific as our veep and genuinely loyal to President Obama.
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monomach Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:33 PM
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10. First we take Manhattan...
...then we take the White House!

Of course, that whole thing about him being Canadian may be a problem. Everyone knows those damned, dirty Canadians just want to invade us. :scared:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:35 PM
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13. We may need Leonard Cohen in Washington to help upgrade
our folk music.

Canada boasts some of the very best, ever.

In college lit courses students are urged to read The Russians.

In folk music, people should listen to the Canadians.


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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:34 PM
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12. Alas,,.,.He is Canadian
And there for not eligible for the position. I would have stripped naked and run around the Wa Monument jumping for joy if he were to run for elected office. On the other-hand...At my age that might be a real deterrent to anyone I support...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:37 PM
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14. I think Leonard Cohen would APPROVE of your running around the
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 09:38 PM by Old Crusoe
Washington Monument naked.

The man calls for sacred naked parties in walls of flames, etc.

I've loved his stuff forever. "Sisters of Mercy" is about as splendid a composition as anyone could ask for.

True, he's Canadian. But I figure one signing statement, and voila! He's in!


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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:44 PM
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15. And did you know that Chelsea Hotel was written for....
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 09:48 PM by The empressof all
Janis Joplin! If she was still alive she'd be older than me which is saying a great deal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvcX5RMBwbk


Here he is this year=== singing one of my favorite songs....
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:49 PM
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17. Ah yes, very nice.
Thank you for that link!

Great song. Great man.
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monomach Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:14 PM
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21. CRAZY!
I was listening to the album version of Anthem when I clicked on your post!
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The empressof all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:08 PM
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31. That's how the light gets in.....
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 11:10 PM by The empressof all
No matter how many times I hear that song. I need to stop...well up a bit and just enjoy a moment of that wonderful heart and mind connection that only great poets and artists can create for others.

How anyone can think this is any less important is just beyond me.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:17 PM
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24. I still don't understand why Johnny Depp is not on the list
He has plenty of foreign policy experience, a naval background, law enforcement and his role in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory distinguishes him as world class innovative businessman.

Beside, the Democratic Party has never been able to run away from the Hollywood image. Is it not time to fully embrace it?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:21 PM
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25. Cap'n Jack Sparrow.
Sure. I could go with Johnny Depp.

Plus, he's from Kentucky.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 08:56 AM
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38. Lovely idea!
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:27 PM
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7. THE SURGE
GO BIDEN GO!
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:31 PM
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9. Gee, sounds like the media has made their choice. Now all we all have to do is be good little
followers as well as Obama and cheer on Biden.
But, IMO, he is a bad choice and will not be able to stop self-promoting himself at Obams's expense. Biden represents old Washington and medicocre politicians.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:33 PM
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11. I'm shocked at how high Clark is. Anyone else?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:52 PM
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18. I think this is hysterical!
Edited on Tue Aug-19-08 09:53 PM by sparosnare
Steve Clemons has the inside information and apparently has it all figured out. NOT. I hope he gets slammed and has to eat his words. ;-)
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 09:53 PM
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19. Thank you, Jesus.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:04 PM
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20. Biden would be fabulous. Please, anyone but Kaine. nt
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:25 PM
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26. Yeah ... Kaine is the outlier ..
I just don't get the appeal there ...
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:37 PM
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27. WWJD, I think. nt
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:17 PM
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23. Awww, Clark wasn't ever seriously considered?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:49 PM
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28. Here is an extremely important photo of a Senate hearing with Sen. Biden and Sen. Hagel

(Senator Joe Biden and the masked Senator Chuck Hagel Make Policy Work Fun on Halloween, October 2007)

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/08/biden_does_he_k/
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 10:55 PM
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29. That is hillarious
Thank. You. For posting.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:08 PM
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30. did you notice the T-shirt Sen. Hagel is wearing?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-19-08 11:09 PM
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32. Yeah
The victory sign is the best part though. He looks so serious about it.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:37 AM
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34. /
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 12:39 AM
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35. *whew*
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 07:42 AM
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36. my thoughts exactly
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