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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:13 AM
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IT'S JFK !!
For those who have not yet received the text message, I will tell you why John F. Kerry will be the VP choice of Barack Obama? It is mostly a process of elimination.

When is John Kerry scheduled to speak at the Convention? Sebelius, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, but no John Kerry? It doesn't add up.

Also, considering that John Kerry did Obama a great favor in 2004 by letting him speak as the keynote speaker and gave him national recognition, Barack Obama is not the type of person to forget his friends or their favors.

Also, John Kerry brings 59 million supporters from his last election, as well as a desire to make sure that the Swift Boaters do not get to do their dirty deeds again. On top of all that, he has the foreign policy credentials to compete with John McCain. And he is very well-liked by the Kennedy family. On top of all that, he was one of the first Senators to come out in support of Barack Obama. They are good friends.

Does anyone still doubt that it will not be John F. Kerry?

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:14 AM
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1. Interesting---
I think it would make a great ticket.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:15 AM
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2. Kerry is speaking Wednesday, per this:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:15 AM
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3. It will not be Kerry
He doesn't help Obama and he might hurt him.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:23 AM
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6. Likely 65million votes and uncovered more govt corruption than ANY LAWMAKER in modern history.
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 09:26 AM by blm
And maybe our left media, with their new found muscles, as small as they may still be, can finally MAKE THAT POINT. And maybe without Bill Clinton on a booktour and supporting Bush and defending him from Kerry's criticisms on terrorism and Iraq war, the Dems have a better chance at making their case against this regime's decisions in the press. And maybe with an election process more secured than it has been at any point in the last 10 years thanks to the removal of Clinton loyalists from the DNC in 2005, more Dem votes will be counted in states who have had their Dem party infrastructures rebuilt and strengthened.

Not that I expect Kerry to be the VP, I want him leading senate investigations into BushInc with Pres Obama cooperating (unlike Clinton who sided with GHWBush's secrecy). BUT.....Let's be truthful about what an enormous difference exists from 2004. And blaming the only Dem who DID his job with flying colors while the REST of the party and left media failed is just wrong.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:37 AM
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9. That's all great, but how does he help Obama get elected?
He doesn't have anything to offer to the ticket. He's from a state that we'll win anyway. He's a bit verbose and he's a Washington insider. I don't see how he helps Obama, especially after losing in 2004.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:49 AM
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11. He's never been a Washington insider. If he was he wouldn't have uncovered more corruption than
any lawmaker in modern history. Are the over 60 million people who voted for him in 2004 not going to vote for Obama because of Kerry? Further, with a stronger left media finally showing some agility, maybe they CAN also finally speak truthfully about Kerry's remarkable contributions to this nation the last 35 years. In 2006 the number one issue for voters was government corruption - gee, you think kos and Olbermann and a few other left voices can FINALLY speak to the key role Kerry played in interrupting the fast track towards full on fascism this nation was on when he uncovered IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning operations? Maybe the left media will actually speak UP loudly that Kerry has been proven right ON EVERY ISSUE and even GOP stalwarts like George Will has admitted it publicly regarding the most serious issue of TERRORISM.

It's not a matter anymore of what Kerry brings - he brings serious and HONEST governance open to the people to the table and that can't be said about 99% of the Democrats in DC - the real question is can Dem activists and the left do THEIR part, speak the truth and provide back up for Obama's ticket that they FAILED to do in 2004?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:54 AM
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14. For the same reasons Biden could be a choice, and losing in 2004 is not necessarily a bad thing,
if you consider he was right on most things he was proposing then.

This said, it is NOT him. I assume he will be Biden, which you probably do not like better, given he is more verbose, more of an insider, and DE is a state we will win, but I am very fine with Biden.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:01 AM
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16. Think 'swiftboating'...
Edited on Wed Aug-20-08 10:03 AM by YvonneCa
...he experienced the lies and knows how to fight them.

http://www.truthfightsback.com/site/splash
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:15 AM
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4. You mean the loser?
Unfair, I know, but I suspect that's how a lot of people who get their news from the M$M will see it.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:17 AM
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5. They'd be a mighty tall, good looking, fully qualified team.
I like it. Not sure he'll go there.. but you do make a good point that the first time most of us heard Barack speak was at Kerry's convention in 2004. That speech was why so many of us were already on the bandwagon for him the day he announced his candidacy in Springfield.

It could happen. They would make a great team. Better than Biden for sure.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:09 AM
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21. "... tall, good looking, FULLY qualified team "...
...I agree. :)
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:26 AM
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7. If we're playing fantasy cabinet
I'd rather have Kerry as AG or SCOTUS.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:31 AM
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8. No. Way.
Won't happen.

You said:

Also, considering that John Kerry did Obama a great favor in 2004 by letting him speak as the keynote speaker and gave him national recognition, Barack Obama is not the type of person to forget his friends or their favors.

Seriously. If Barack Obama is going to pick his vice presidential nominee as a "favor" or "pay back" for giving him a speaking slot, then Barack Obama is not who we all think he is.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:57 AM
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15. If Obama is the open government Democrat we think he is why wouldn't he tap the one lawmaker who
opened government up to the people more than any lawmaker in modern history? And with the 2006 election and people placing corruption as their number one concern, why wouldn't Obama tap the one lawmaker who uncovered more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history?

Maybe the problem is that corporate media didn't want people to know this about Kerry....but, since Dan Rather and Scott McClellan have been telling some truth about the media's complicity in protecting Bush, maybe some left media will finally have a chance to turn the volume up and back up Obama's ticket with the TRUTH this time.

June 2, 2003
Kerry Seeks to Reverse FCC's "Wrongheaded Vote"

Commission Decision May Violate Laws Protecting Small Businesses; Kerry to File Resolution of Disapproval

WASHINGTON - Senator John Kerry today announced plans to file a "Resolution of Disapproval" as a means to overturn today's decision by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to raise media ownership caps and loosen various media cross-ownership rules. Kerry will soon introduce the resolution seeking to reverse this action under the Congressional Review Act and Small Business Regulatory Enforcement Fairness Act on the grounds that the decision may violate the laws intended to protect America's small businesses and allow them an opportunity to compete. As Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship, Kerry expressed concern that the FCC's decision will hurt localism, reduce diversity, and will allow media monopolies to flourish. This raises significant concerns about the potential negative impacts the decision will have on small businesses and their ability to compete in today's media marketplace. In a statement released earlier today regarding the FCC's decision, Kerry said: "Nothing is more important in a democracy than public access to debates and information, which lift up our discourse and give Americans an opportunity to make honest informed choices. Today's wrongheaded vote by the Republican members of the FCC to loosen media ownership rules shows a dangerous indifference to the consolidation of power in the hands of a few large entities rather than promoting diversity and independence at the local level. The FCC should do more than rubber stamp the business plans of narrow economic interests. "Today's vote is a complete dereliction of duty. The Commissioners are well aware that these rules greatly influence the competitive structure of the industry and protect the public's access to multiple sources of information and media. It is the Commission's responsibility to ensure that the rules serve our national goals of diversity, competition, and localism in media. With today's vote, they shirked that responsibility and have dismissed any serious discussion about the impact of media consolidation on our own democracy."

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:38 AM
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10. No it won't be Kerry because while we know Kerry is great a lot of people think
he's more elitist than Obama.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:51 AM
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12. Yet BushInc had to work four years to steal that election anyway.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 09:52 AM
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13. Probably not, but it would be a very correct choice.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:01 AM
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17. It would be an awful choice
Kerry was tagged an elitist with good cause and no way would Obama open up his campaign to '2 elitists' ads. He has to do a 180 on this kind of VP. Whether we like Kerry or not is beside the point.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:04 AM
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18. Agree, Peaches....This seems SO basic! -nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:07 AM
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19. LOL, who would you like? Can you post something positive on somebody rather than
something negative on somebody, for a change.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:15 AM
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22. Of course I can, but the subject was VP Kerry, wasn't it?
I did say WE may like Kerry (positive), but that doesn't make him a good choice. I DO try to address the subject of the thread.

Biden- great choice
Clark- good choice

Now are you happy?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:25 AM
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23. Not exactly
You wrote "Kerry was tagged an elitist with good cause" . Negative and purely subjective (which cause? which cause?)

AND "Whether we like Kerry or not" does not imply you like him. In fact, tagged with the first comment, my guess would be not.

For the rest, Biden could or could not be a great choice. He will be tagged as the total insider and as showing that Obama does not have experience. While I think he is a good choice and my favorite between the top three, he comes with his share of negatives, as all of them do. IMHO, while it will not happen, Kerry is as good a choice as those who have been suggested. I just cannot figure out why he would do that.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:07 AM
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20. Maybe not. From Huffpo...
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 11:52 AM
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25. Elitist? Against McLame?? He has more mansions than Barack and Kerry combined!
They won't be able to claim elitism against Barack now that McLame is their candidate.
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 01:37 PM
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26. Of course McCain does
But the 'Obama the Elitist' argument has been pretty successful so far for the Repugs. He never should have mentioned arugula and of course he vacationed in that exotic Hawaii. I'm convinced the American people get exactly what they deserve if they can lap this crap up.
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RedShoes Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-20-08 10:30 AM
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24. yep. I highly doubt it.
and I pray the veep will bring us ONE of the 2004 red states, battlegrounds be damned. If we take ONE red state from the 2004 election cycle, our guy is in.

Biden brings Delaware. (already blue)
Kerry brings Massachusetts. (already blue)
Bayh brings Indidana. (hmmm)
Dodd bring Connecticut and they have a repig gov. (hmmm, HMMMM)
Clinton brings Arkansas (hmmm)
Kaine brings Virginia (HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM)
Sebelius brings Kansas (hmmmm)


Let's not pretend, but be pragmatic, about our general election here.


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