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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:33 AM
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TPM: Halperin warns Obama to "not go there"!
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 10:40 AM by FLDem5
Josh, I don't know if you have anyone back in NY running the Tivo machines today, but on the ABC roundtable today Mark Halperin made the point (obviously whispered to him by McCain folks) that the houses flap of last week will end up being "worse" for Obama because it "opened the door" to Rezko, Ayers, Wright. But even Cokie Roberts and George S. seemed puzzled saying that the Houses story relates to the economy while the other stories are about past associations. Halperin seemed to be saying that the aggressiveness with which the Obama people drove the Houses story was a mistake because it woke a sleeping giant. He seemed to be arguing that Obama shouldn't be too aggressive because then McCain will go after him (he even used the word "machisomo." You have got to get this clip. Run it all the way through Roberts and Steph's disagreeing.


It's like a comic parody of the mentality I described a few days ago. Don't get in McCain's face because it'll just be so much worse for you if you. By God, just keep your head down and try to muddle through! If you're nice maybe he won't hit you.

Is the Limbaugh, Drudge, McCain IV really so deep in Halperin's arm that he thinks the McCain camp feels like it needs an opening to get into the Obama/Terrrorist/Scary Black Man menagerie? They were holding back on Rezko? Really?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/210025.php


Halperin actually believes that Obama/Biden is afraid of McCain's temper.

ROFL! Watch out, Obama, McCain's gonna' steal the cookies out of your lunch! Sometimes, I think some media types were bullied in High School and never quite got over it.




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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:40 AM
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1. IOW, just lay down and take it
Sorry Mark, not this time, not this ticket. You have to remember there is lots of video out there on McCain too, and Biden is going to make mincemeat out of him.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:36 PM
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47. Considering Biden's been in the Senate the whole time Gramps has been there
He's probably witnessed all the angry tirades that even some Repuke senators have opened up about.

But since he considers McCone of Silence his friend, will he bring any of that up?
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:51 PM
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51. He also may know McCain's triggers for a rage
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:34 PM
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67. You mean like his wife suggesting he is balding
I don'think his triggers are very hard to know

Just tell him to his face being a POW is not nor has it ever been a qualification for POTUS

That ought to do it!
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:44 AM
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2. When a rightwinger says "don't go there"
it means keep punching em right on the exact same spot until they are bloodied and incapacitated.

These posh GOP loudmouths may talk tough but they have soft bellies.
Pummel the body and the head will stop working.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:54 AM
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12. Spot on! ... or like Marciano, the biceps! How dumb are they, to imagine
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 10:59 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
any putative fear Obama or Biden felt concerning McCain's response would exceed their own fear - which, of course, they are proclaiming from the roof-tops. Not a clever tactic. A desperate one.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:43 AM
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29. It's such a pleasure seeing someone finally take the fight to them
Instead of the milquetoast Alan Colmes approach we have seen from the Democrats for many years.
Time to give the bully a black eye.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:45 AM
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3. So they say Rezko, we say Keating. It's a perfect excuse to bring up the Keating scandal. nt
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:33 AM
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25. I agree, we match them every step of the way. nt
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:41 PM
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31. yup.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:45 AM
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:04 AM
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18. Yow that's a wonderful image worth repeating !!!


To the moon McMansions !!! To the moon !!!!!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:46 AM
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5. The choice of Biden means Obama's COUNTING on . . .
McCain's tempter getting the best of him.

Besides, who'd be afraid of that wrinkly, white-haired old guy? Have you SEEN the size of his age spots?

(And I'm almost 50, so I can say this).
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:47 AM
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6. Whow the heck is this Halperin guy everyone seems so concerned
with now?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
32. he does "The Page" for Time.
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predfan Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:48 AM
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7. Remember in "Mash" when the bet was made about Hot Lips's true hair color,
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 10:48 AM by predfan
and the curtains were dropped on the shower? She ran to Henry's tent, and told him if he didn't do something she'd call the General............" G......D......it Hot Lips, Call the G......D.....General, he replied, and asked his date if she wanted another glass of wine.........

So, Mark, unleash the Great Maverick, I believe we're up to it.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:00 PM
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39. Why are you making me fantasize about Mark Halperin in a shower?
I'm sure he's really a brunette. But really, let's "not go there."
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:48 AM
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8. That was really crazy. Even the rest of the panel were like, "HUH??"
:crazy: :silly:
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:08 AM
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21. As if they wouldn't "go there" otherwise
Hahahahahahaha. this is so funny!!!!

Loved Cokie for once!!!!
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. yes, didn't she bring up Keating?
someone did
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #26
42. She did, and Will & Helperin looked like they were going to blow
I don't know what go into her!
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Kber Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:49 AM
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9. delete`
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 10:51 AM by Kber
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:50 AM
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10. The black, cross-eyed RNC spokesman on CNN said the same thing yesterday afternoon.
Obama doesn't want to talk housing. Not with the million dollar deal he brokered with convicted felon Rezko..."

It is just another of their talking points a la the yellow cake uranium. This will be their new chant.

It is funny that they are putting the blame on Obama. Like they wouldn't have "opened the door" themselves. Better now than October. Bring it on...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #10
14. that's Ron Christy
he's SO flipping annoying.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:28 PM
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57. Yeah, WHAT IS that Thing?
Where did they dredge that guy up from, the Comedy Store storage room? Looks like Urkel all grown up, 'cept this guy got hit tween the eyes with the ugly stick... What a clown..

He sounds really femmie, a Seinfeld "high talker", and when he thinks he's made a "oh snap! Sister!" statement his face pulls up like soul sister old momma, totally impervious to any logic or reason.. Really thinks he's a bad dude, but he's a big ball of conflicts, a perfect Repig actually, useless, strange.. I want to know his name, so I can look him up, he should be paired up with that "cute" (until the poison pours from her lips) black young woman on CNN who almost appears to be intelligent until more than four words pass, and you realize she's an agressive ladder climber, there to stomp on fingers, wishing she had a Maddow show, which she will never earn.. I've had such a viscerally Big Nasty feeling when she comes on that I have to mute her..

Right wing must be stealing lovely little black kids and subjecting them to torture and reward until they cross over to the dark side of politics..

I want to feel sorry for them, but I know deep down they are wicked opportunists, ready to sell out Anyone for a golden ring..
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:31 PM
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61. The things that I read on this site somedays remind me that not
every so called "Progressive" is actually ready for change. You obviously feel comfortable behind the monitor. Racism is alive.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 02:21 AM
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73. Right, I mention two freaky black right wing Assholes
And I'm a Racist...

Crawl far enough up your own ass you'll see sunshine past your tonsils..

Free speech is alive and well, how fucking stupid ARE you anyway? Who fucking dresses you?

Christ, nothing but idiots on this site anymore, dunno why I've been such an activist, complete waste of time..
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:50 AM
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11. That's worse than Tweety!
Yesterday Matthews tried to say that the house flap was about McCain's age. According to Tweety, the Obama camp is using this to say that McCain can't remember how many houses he has.

The Dem talker on the show at the time tried to explain that it's about the economy, but you know how Matthews talks over people all the time.
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:46 AM
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30. To me, it's more about McCain's
hypocrisy. I really don't care how many houses he owns. It's his money. But to paint Obama as an elitist while having so many multi-million dollar homes (with servants) that he can't even keep them straight is just another point in a long litany that proclaims McCain not only as an elitist himself; but an extreme hypocrite as well.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #11
62. No, Tweety was making the point about competence
that McCain is incompetent.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:39 PM
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68. he was very much emphasizing AGE....he kept saying it over and over, deflecting
from the real issue, which is infintely more damaging: McCain is a fabulously RICH, out of touch HYPOCRITE

age was his point

age, NOT competence

I saw it. he and cockeyed junior would NOT let the dem get a word in

age

age

age

that's the RW talking point of the day, btw: dems are playing the AGE card on McC
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:40 PM
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69. bet you a dollar the next time the houses come up, he'll be spouting the ageist meme
just watch
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. The thing is, it IS one or the other
There are only two options

1) the dolt is too disconnected from his OWN life to know how many houses he has
2) he knew, and the "straight talk express" was too cowardly to say

There really are no other options to it
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:56 AM
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13. Screw McCrypt and his shitty crew
Just shows THEY are the ones that are running skeered. :yoiks:
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dano81818 Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
49. mccrypt... lmao... first time i've heard that one... what a gem... eom
x
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. i pwned it from another duer
it IS perfect, isn't it. knight of the living dead, that mc crypt.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:57 AM
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15. They don't want Obama to fight, because fighting = winning. It's that simple.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:59 AM
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16. FactCheck.org: McCain's Rezco ad is false and misleading
Posted by AzBlueMeanie:



When the Obama campaign seized the opening that John McCain provided them with his gaffe of not knowing how many homes he owns, his campaign, in typical McNasty fashion, responded with a personal attack McCain Spokesman's Retort: Obama Lives in "a Frickin' Mansion":

"We're delighted to have a real estate debate with Barack Obama," said spokesman Brian Rogers, adding that the press should focus on Obama's house. "It's a frickin' mansion. He doesn't tell people that. You have a mansion you bought in a shady deal with a convicted felon."

The felon reference was to Tony Rezko, a former Obama friend and financial backer who was convicted on fraud and bribery charges this year. Rogers vowed to intensify efforts to link Obama to Rezko in the coming days.

"That's fair game now," he said. "You are going to see more of that now that this issue has been joined. You'll see more of the Rezko matter from us."

Now? Hasn't that dill-hole Sean Hannity been pushing the Tony Rezco smear over at Faux News for you since the beginning of the year? The McCain campaign produced its own Rezco ad (why do they pay for these ads when Faux News does it for free?)

The good folks at FactCheck.org, once again, have called out the McCain campaign for being the pathological liars that they are. You know when McCain is lying - his lips are moving. You can read the full "fact check" report here: Factcheck.org: Rezko Reality.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x378468

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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:01 AM
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17. Mark Halperin is a conservative prick from a prominent conservative family
Funny how he seems to be everywhere in the media lately. He's a less blatant, less openly "out conservative' version of the unctuous Tucker Carlson.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:06 AM
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19. I think there is some truth to the "machismo" assertion
McCain seems to be obsessed with being bigger than Obama. Obama wants 2 brigades for Afghanistan, McCain said 3. Obama spent 5 million during the olympics. McCain spent 6. Then there is all the "celebrity" BS. It's all about McCain's "machismo."
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:07 AM
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20. Who was the Cokie-Roberts look-alike on there today?
She looked like Cokie, and had the same voice and accent, but she was defending Obama, and bringing up great counter points to Will and Halperin, like "it's not about having 7 houses, it's about not KNOWING you have 7 houses...". She sounded sane!

What happened to Cokie?
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:48 PM
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34. Maybe she went to Hawaii for a vacation.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:25 PM
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43. well, she should have gone to Myrtle Beach
Is that what you're suggesting B-)
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #43
65. Moi? Nah
;-)
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:27 PM
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60. She'll crawl back into McCain's backside by Friday
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:15 AM
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22. Someone should say "gee, Mark. Isn't that what schoolyard bullies say? Or the mob?"
Halperin is getting on my nerves. He's swinging on that tire swing pretty hard (as Josh would say).
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:24 AM
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23. I kind of half agree with him. The press was on to the Houses thing
why not let them take it over? Obama could have said something like "guess he doesn't
pay attention to his finances?" Something non-accusatory but gets the message across

Sometimes - it's much better to let the press handle the criticism when it's on fire.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:19 PM
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59. We can't rely on the press to keep it going
If Obama didn't repeat it, they would drop it as fast as they could. Obama is forcing the media to cover it over and over again.
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klyon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:31 AM
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24. It was clearly the republican spin of the day, has no basis in reality
or logic just an attempt to flip it. The story has legs and is clearly damaging to McCain. It shows he is out of touch with even his own life.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:37 AM
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27. Damned if Obama does and damned if he doesn't.
If he doesn't, then they'll say that Obama can't fight back.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 11:38 AM
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28. That's bullshit, and it says something that COKIE and Georgie disagreed with Mark.
This is a big gaffe by McCain and I hope/know the Democrats will keep hitting him hard.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:47 PM
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33. HE WAS A POW!
Don't you get it? That gives him an excuse to be despicable.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:49 PM
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35. lol
"even Cokie Roberts and George S". That's such a golden line. There's an effort by the MSM to either show faux ignorance for what being out of touch with the economy and your own finances/property has to do with the election, as well as an effort to show it as a dig on his age. Halperin can go fuck himself...he tried REALLY hard to bury that house comment on his page when it happened.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:53 PM
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36. Nothing Obama does will please the media.
If he took Halperin's advice and played nice, Halperin would accuse him of being weak. I can hear it now...If he can't stand up to McMansions, how will he stand up to terra-ists.

Fuck the corporate stooge media.

Halperin, consider yourself on notice.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:29 PM
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44. Deleted message
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 01:58 PM
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37. "YOU KIDS GET OFF ALL MY HOWEVER MANY LAWNS I HAVE!!!"
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 02:51 PM by A-Schwarzenegger
"it woke a sleeping giant" ... WORSE--it woke a sleeping old man!
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:44 PM
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50. ROFL
You kids get off my lawns!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:00 PM
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54. A senile old man !!!!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:00 PM
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38. We should mention his drug-addicted wife, too. Lil' Miss "Other Woman" Moneybags Crunchyface.
I wouldn't hesitate to use it.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:01 PM
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40. We need a YouTube ad of McCain as Captain Crunch
Waving his sword around, giving out commands, and worried that the milk may be sour!

LoL
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #38
58. ..Miss, "You simply cannot get around Arizona in anything less than an airplane!"
Yeah. She actually said that, or words to that affect.
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Zero Division Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:06 PM
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41. Like the Republicans would hold back for any reason...
That's hilarious. If they think the Obama campaign has nothing with which to counter attack, they're truly fools. I think the first ads that really lay into McCain's betrayal of his maverick image, the constant pandering of the last few years, will really hurt him with independents and it'll bring up all of those sore spots with the Republican base.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:30 PM
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45. Just keep responding, "Keating 5!, Keating 5!, Keating 5!"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:32 PM
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46. Poor halperin..it must suck to
be so clueless.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:38 PM
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48. The rest of the round table tore him apart and showed how
stupid that statement was.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:53 PM
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53. He's declaring open season on Obama from the media - gulf of tonkin casus belli.
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trocar Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:02 PM
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55. Check out FactCheck.org
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:07 PM
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63. thanks for that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:43 PM
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70. Thanks...if mccain doesn't check his smear
sources..what else won't he check before he bombs some country 'cause he believes the flimsy evidence of WMD?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:06 PM
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56. A noun, a verb, and POW.
That's McCain pissed poor excuse for everything!

How about those Vietnamese civilians your bombs killed, McCain?
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:09 PM
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64. Inferring that Obama was the anti-Christ...
in their advertising crossed the line. Period. I don't think they want to start pretending that they did NOT start this because they most certainly did.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:32 PM
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66. And if Mark Halprin was a real journalist
He would have pointed out that the Rezko, Ayers, Wright stories are all BS and pretty insignificant compared to the Keating 5 scandal and John McCain's campaign being run by lobbyists and Karl Rove and company.

This is what the GOP and media does every time. Tries to warn off the Democrats from fighting back. It's always worked in the past, but not this time.

They were going to use these stories anyway and nothing was going to change that. They are just trying to make it seem like they were pushed into it instead of taking responsibility for the being the low life slime balls that they are.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:44 PM
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71. McCain shouldn't mess with Obama!
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