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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:27 PM
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Maureed Dowd goes there!
Thank you, Maureen. Apparently a lot of the press is sick of him playing the POW card.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/24/opinion/24dowd.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Too Much of a Bad Thing

By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: August 24, 2008
WASHINGTON

My mom did not approve of men who cheated on their wives. She called them “long-tailed rats.”

During the 2000 race, she listened to news reports about John McCain confessing to dalliances that caused his first marriage to fall apart after he came back from his stint as a P.O.W. in Vietnam.

I figured, given her stringent moral standards, that her great affection for McCain would be dimmed.

“So,” I asked her, “what do you think of that?”

“A man who lives in a box for five years can do whatever he wants,” she replied matter-of-factly.

I was startled, but it brought home to me what a powerful get-out-of-jail-free card McCain had earned by not getting out of jail free.

His brutal hiatus in the Hanoi Hilton is one of the most stirring narratives ever told on the presidential trail — a trail full of heroic war stories. It created an enormous credit line of good will with the American people. It also allowed McCain, the errant son of the admiral who was the commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific during Vietnam — his jailers dubbed McCain the “Crown Prince” — to give himself some credit.

“He has been preoccupied with escaping the shadow of his father and establishing his own image and identity in the eyes of others,” read a psychiatric evaluation in his medical files. “He feels his experiences and performance as a P.O.W. have finally permitted this to happen.”

The ordeal also gave a more sympathetic cast to his carousing. As Robert Timberg wrote in “John McCain: An American Odyssey,” “What is true is that a number of P.O.W.’s, in those first few years after their release, often acted erratically, their lives pockmarked by drastic mood swings and uncharacteristic behavior before achieving a more mellow equilibrium.” Timberg said Hemingway’s line that people were stronger in the broken places was not always right.

So it’s hard to believe that John McCain is now in danger of exceeding his credit limit on the equivalent of an American Express black card. His campaign is cheapening his greatest strength — and making a mockery of his already dubious claim that he’s reticent to talk about his P.O.W. experience — by flashing the P.O.W. card to rebut any criticism, no matter how unrelated. The captivity is already amply displayed in posters and TV advertisements.

The Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, the pastor who married Jenna Bush and who is part of a new Christian-based political action committee supporting Obama, recently criticized the joke McCain made at the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally encouraging Cindy to enter the topless Miss Buffalo Chip contest. The McCain spokesman Brian Rogers brought out the bottomless excuse, responding with asperity that McCain’s character had been “tested and forged in ways few can fathom.”

When the Obama crowd was miffed to learn that McCain was in a motorcade rather than in a “cone of silence” while Obama was being questioned by Rick Warren, Nicolle Wallace of the McCain camp retorted, “The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous.”

When Obama chaffed McCain for forgetting how many houses he owns, Rogers huffed, “This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years — in prison.”

As Sam Stein notes in The Huffington Post: “The senator has even brought his military record into discussion of his music tastes. Explaining that his favorite song was ‘Dancing Queen’ by Abba, he offered that his knowledge of music ‘stopped evolving when his plane intercepted a surface-to-air missile.’ ‘Dancing Queen,’ however, was produced in 1975, eight years after McCain’s plane was shot down.”

The Kerry Swift-boat attacks in 2004 struck down the off-limits signs that were traditionally on a candidate’s military service. Many Democrats are willing to repay the favor, and Republicans clearly no longer see war medals as sacrosanct.

In a radio interview last week, Representative Terry Everett, an Alabama Republican, let loose with a barrage at the Democrat John Murtha, a decorated Vietnam War veteran who is the head of the House defense appropriations subcommittee, calling him “cut-and-run John Murtha” and an “idiot.”

“And don’t talk to me about him being an ex-marine,” Everett said. “Lord, that was 40 years ago. A lot of stuff can happen in 40 years.”

The real danger to the McCain crew in overusing the P.O.W. line so much that it’s a punch line is that it will give Obama an opening for critical questions:

While McCain’s experience was heroic, did it create a worldview incapable of anticipating the limits to U.S. military power in Iraq? Did he fail to absorb the lessons of Vietnam, so that he is doomed to always want to refight it? Did his captivity inform a search-and-destroy, shoot-first-ask-questions-later, “We are all Georgians,” mentality?
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:33 PM
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1. While maybe not a direct line, Obama ancestors were held in slavery
in this country for what? 3 centuries? Should not Obama get a wee bit of wiggle room for that? Perhaps some of McSame's ancestry "owned" some Obama ancestry or at least removed cousins.
OK this may be a bit out of line, but I for one am tired of the press mimicking the "POW" line to let McCain be allowed to be a scoundrel.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:39 PM
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3. Maybe some of us Need to answer McCain people with that
Youre right..

Obama's people were Slaves for hundreds of years in this and other countries, it's shaped his worldview in that he is seeking Freedom for Everyone..

:)
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:37 PM
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11. Not in an indirect one either
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 04:46 PM by Spider Jerusalem
none of Obama's ancestors were held in slavery in America; his American ancestors were actually slave OWNERS.

And on edit: Kenya is in East Africa; the Africans who were taken into slavery and brought to America were West African, from the other side of the continent, thousands of miles away.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 07:08 PM
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18. Thank you!
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 07:11 PM by DesertedRose
I saw that and thought, "huh?"

Yikes :wow:

(Folks, not everyone who is BLACK in this country is AFRICAN-AMERICAN (think Caribbean) or descended from slaves!)
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:41 PM
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12. Huh?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 08:44 AM
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21. Obama's ancestors were NOT held in slavery. That, IMO, is one of many things that makes him....
the perfect person to be first African American President.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:35 PM
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2. Every now and then, Dowd writes something good.
This is good.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:48 PM
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4. We let it win some hands. The POW card stands.
We Dems capitulated on the POW card when Clark questioned it. That gave it the power it now has. We have been on the run ever since. None of our people have the guts to do what has to be done: Convert McCain's 5-year stay in Vietnam into a liability.

Clark humanized McCain, and we let the GOP huff and puff us into a corner. But we have to go back there and take that hill, cowards to the rear.

Dowd's points are not tough at all. Notably absent is the questioning of the basic enthymeme, that the POW card matters at all. People aren't going to use McCain's POW experience to question his world view. Give me a break. They are much more likely to just give McCain a pass.

But compare McCain to Stockdale. Point out that McCain should not even have been in the plane that was shot down unless it was sitting on the carrier and needed cleaning.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 08:48 AM
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22. Vets complain about "noun, verb, POW" cheapening their serice.
That is better than Dowd-y trying to do the same.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:54 PM
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5. That last paragraph is gold. Too bad it couldn't have been at the top.
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LonelyLRLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:58 PM
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6. So, if the Dems want to play hardball, how about an ad using Everett's statement?
I am SOOOO sick of McCain using POW, POW, POW to poo-poo every legitimate criticism, I could :puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:04 PM
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7. Note to MoDo: Not everything you think when your meds are kicking in
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 04:05 PM by sfexpat2000
is a reference to Titus Andronicus and not everyone with a tongue can sing.

Sometimes, a privileged corrupt @sshole is really just a privileged corrupt @sshole.

If your problem is that McWar is over-playing the POW persona, then you are at bottom a fashion critic and might better spend your time slurping lukewarm crappy white wine along side of runways and not burdening your readership with your nascent political yearnings.

eta: Okay, that was mean. lol
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:44 PM
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13. mean but well written
:)

and deserved.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:09 PM
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8. His 5 years in a cage disqualifies him
His Vietnam experience made him the crazy half-wit he is today. Dowd doesn't go far enough. McCain is nuttier than a shithouse loon, and not fit to be President of the United States, precisely BECAUSE he was a POW.
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chitty Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:05 PM
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16. I have been saying this for months.
Because he was a POW for five years should disqualify him mentally for the job.

It's just got to fuck you up.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 06:11 PM
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17. Yep
I normally have compassion for the mentally ill, but NOT when they seek the Most Powerful Job On Earth. In these extreme circumstances, one must throw out the normal rules and go for the jugular. We CANNOT AFFORD to have a diseased cur like McCain in the Oval Office. 8 years of one imbecilic narcissistic dimbulb have been more than enough.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:22 PM
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9. Great article - but you need to trim it to 4 paragraphs or so
Per copyright rules you can't post entire articles from sites like the NY Times or you're going to get DU in hot water for violating copyright rules.
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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 05:46 PM
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15. sorry, I didn't know that and it's too late now--can't edit.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:34 PM
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10. and furthermore...
Biden endured far more tragedy in 1972 than McCain did during his 5 years of incarceration.

One preaches family values, the other has LIVED it.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 08:57 AM
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23. Losing family in a car accident is very traumatic
Not sure how anyone can compare that with a pow camp (without living both tragedies) where
death and misery surrounds one daily. Neither options are good ones and I would not wish either
on anyone. I can spite mccain and his political policies but nothing about his pow status
gives me any desire to belittle it.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 06:52 PM
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25. He belittles his own status
When he allows his spokesturds and other hangers-on to invoke his POW status at every chance they get, then he should be held to the flame for being craven, callow, and opportunistic.

Fuck McCain, and fuck his abuse of his own war record.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:45 PM
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14. As someone said, " We award Medals to War Heroes
Not the Presidency."
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:48 AM
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19. “A man who lives in a box for five years can do whatever he wants,”
So that's where McCrusty gets off thinking he can pull any BS he wants!


Well, he's done enough and he's gotten enough, and
America needs to say "NO MORE!" for John McCain.

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 07:53 AM
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20. I know Americans will catch on soon and grow sick of his shit
:puke:

GET THE F*CK OVER IT, McShame.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 09:01 AM
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24. Exactly. Trauma would just go away if people just got over it
Bootstraps, stiff upper lip and all that goes with it.
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