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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:13 AM
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Mark Penn is writing Bill's speech?
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 11:46 AM by Kristi1696
(Just reported on MSNBC)

Ugh.

I have complete faith that Hillary is going to hit it out of the park with her speech tonight.

But I'm a little worried about Bill, particularly now that I know Mark Penn is writing his speech. Why hasn't Bill scraped that guy off yet? This guy torpedoes his wife's bid for the Presidency and Bill is still turning to him for advice. I don't get it.

I really hope that Obama's campaign gets a look at the speech because I don't trust Penn at all.


ETA: This appears to be the source of the speculation (and let's hope that it's just that)

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/a_flareup_between_hillaryland.php
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:13 AM
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1. You need to get SOMETHING for your brazillions of dollars....
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:40 AM
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23. My thoughts exactly
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:14 AM
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2. Boo
that's frightening.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:14 AM
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3. I read that on The Atlantic website yesterday
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 11:18 AM by ErinBerin84
dear god, please let it be a rumor.

edit: The Atlantic actually reported that Mark Penn was "consulting" Bill on the speech, not writing it exactly. But seriously, can we just admit that Mark Penn is in the McCain camp now (actually, as he's always been) and keep him out of the Democratic party forver?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:27 AM
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16. Thanks. I found that Ambinder article. He doesn't name who the "sources"...
That gave him this information are, so hopefully this is just speculation.

Funny how it's morphed into "Penn is writing the speech" from "Penn is consulting on the speech", without any additional reports to back this up.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:38 AM
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yeah, that's what makes me hope this is just a rumor.
Which is very possible, since Mark Penn was spotlighted as being a douchebag in the Clinton memos that were released. I could see this just being a rumor this week to try and stir shit up.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:15 AM
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4. Well, that's disheartening.
Why have a fucking piece of shit write such an important speech?
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:15 AM
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5. Heard that, as well. Discomfiting, to say the least.
I strongly suspect Mark Penn is the reason Hillary Clinton's campaign debt remains unpaid.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:16 AM
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6. And yet, some people here still glorify the Clintons and DLC?
:shrug:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:17 AM
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7. Bill Clinton is the type of person who would want to write his own speech.
I call BS by the MSM for the express purpose of dividing us even more.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:21 AM
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10. I hope that's true. And I like to make it clear...
This was not an attack on the Clintons in any way. This is about Penn, with a degree of bewilderment of why Bill still confides in him.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:18 AM
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8. ooh, that means many DUers will be able to scrutinize every little word
"What did he mean by that?"

"That's code word for corporations..."

"He just nodded at someone. Did you see that? Was that a signal to PUMA?"
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:23 AM
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11. So Mark Penn writing his speech is a good thing?
Why?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:24 AM
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13. depends on what's in the speech, don't ya think?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:26 AM
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14. He's a pollster last time I checked
Edited on Tue Aug-26-08 11:26 AM by Jake3463
He took a shot at being a strategist and you can ask Hillary Clinton how that went for him. I guess speech writer is not on the resume :rofl:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:29 AM
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18. depends on what's in the speech, don't ya think?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:38 AM
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21. Everything the guy touches turns to crap
If I was a man with access to impressive people like Bill Clinton that hack wouldn't be on my list.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:41 AM
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24. depends on what's in the speech, don't ya think?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:38 AM
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22. Seems that Penn's official title is now "confidant".
Apparently Bill's list of people he trusts has shortened significantly.

I just don't understand why Bill thinks Penn deserves to be on it. He must be keeping some pretty serious secrets for Bill, that's all I can think of.

But, having heard Penn speak for himself, I'd hardly consider him a wordsmith.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:20 AM
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9. My guess is that Bill's speech
will focus on the good old days. I hope I'm wrong.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:24 AM
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12. Yeah, mark penn of the..
"being human is overrated"..they sure bought into that meme.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:27 AM
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15. I thought they would ahve cast that guy overboard by now
Especially if the exhaustive reports of his role in creating hillary's campaign demise are true. Hopefully it's not a loyalty over competence issue.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:28 AM
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17. You should vote for that foreigner plagiarist Obama
I can't wait! :banghead:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:35 AM
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19. Oh, Goody, I guess all the Vendors have been paid then, right?
Hard working Americans, uh huh....
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:36 AM
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20. Penn must be the goto guy when Bill needs to appear sincere.
He's obviously not so good at pulling that off himself. :eyes:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:44 AM
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25. I doubt it's being written by one person.
Maybe Mark Penn is a contributor, but I'm sure Bill Clinton has some things he wants to say which he'll write himself.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:47 AM
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26. Edited the OP to add what appears to be the source of this rumor. nt
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 11:56 AM
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27. Can any Clinton fans out there explain this to me?
WHY after that man ran Hillary's campaign into the ground and exposed himself for the giant waste of time, money and space that he is... WHY would they continue to be connected to him and use his services?!?

If the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD thinks he did a terrible job, why won't they cut those ties?! Seems to me like it's little more than POOR JUDGEMENT. Blind loyalty is trumping skill, intellect, strategy, and logic.

Help me out Clintonites! Explain it to me!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 12:25 PM
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28. Gonna be tough with all that flopsweat ruining the ink
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