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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:58 AM
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Freeper on FR has it right on Palin as choice
Most of the responses so far are cool with Palin as a choice because she's anti-choice, a home schooler, has five kids and is a lifetime NRA member. But there is dissent...

"Lousy choice. I’m afraid he just handed the White House Obama. God help us!

How the heck is he supposed to make a campaign issue out of Obama’s inexperience when he’s got a running mate with 2 years as governor of a sparsely populated state while being a full-time mother, um, on the side? And what does it say about the Republican Party’s commitment to “family values”, when it sees fit to nominate a mother of 5 children, including a disabled, still-nursing infant, to be VP and step in as POTUS if necessary?

There’s got to be a huge celebration going on in Obama-land right now. And we’d better all be praying that Obama pulls off some really HUGE screw-up between now and Election Day."


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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 09:59 AM
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1. Best line:
There’s got to be a huge celebration going on in Obama-land right now. And we’d better all be praying that Obama pulls off some really HUGE screw-up between now and Election Day.

Guess what? THERE IS.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:00 AM
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2. Freepers are right for once..
:rofl:
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:01 AM
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LOL....
let's make it the one, and only time!!
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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:01 AM
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5. You know what they say, "Even a broken clock is right twice a day"
This is what I'm hearing in a heavily Republican office as well.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:00 AM
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4. lol smart freeper
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:11 AM
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13. An Oxymoran!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:06 AM
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9. Party time!
:party:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:12 PM
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17. There is a huge celebration in Obama land!
It has NOTHING to do with McCain's VP pick. It's all about our incredible candidate and a hugely successful convention.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:12 PM
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18. There is a huge celebration in Obama land!
It has NOTHING to do with McCain's VP pick. It's all about our incredible candidate and a hugely successful convention.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:00 AM
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3. Sexist bullshit about the having children thing, who would say a man with 5 children

shouldn't be burdened with an important job.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:02 AM
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6. Many of them feel woman's place is in the home
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:04 AM
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7. I would agree except for the fact that she has an infant child with
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 10:05 AM by merh
special needs. I know plenty of mothers with special needs children that gave up their successful careers to take care of their children, the child's first years are crucial.

And consider those in the party that know there are more experienced females in the party that would be better suited for the job but have now been passed over for the prettier, younger model.

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:06 AM
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8. She also has a husband, the child's father who also loves and cares for his child
able to take care of his child.

I don't see this as a valid or acceptable argument against this or any woman seeking office.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:15 AM
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14. You do realize that emotions come into play, don't you?
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 10:19 AM by merh
No political pick is in a vaccuum.

I read about this woman months ago, she was just a blimp on the screen. I sent the article about her to a friend of mine with a special needs child and commented that I could find myself seriously considering supporting this lady in 10 to 15 years or so - it's too soon, she has no experience and no matter what you say, how you define it, the formative years are crucial and if she "can" be there, she should be there, this is a choice she has made, it is not a necessity for the survival of her family. That makes a huge difference.

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:58 AM
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15. Oh, they just reported that her husband works in the oil business
for BP, out in the field - she calls him the "first dude". So who is taking care of the kids?
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:09 PM
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16. There are many people who both work and they find a way to take care of their children and newborns

I just can't see how anyone can think it should be an issue.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:24 PM
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19. so, if she was single, what would you say then?
if there was no "supposedly loving caring father" in the picture?

We, AS WOMEN, have a CHOICE as to whether to give birth, knowing the responsibilities that we will be faced with, for the rest of our lives. Intensely so, for the first several months, but women -by and large- have done the bulk of nurturing and raising children for centuries. While times are changing- they haven't changed that much.


How many male nanny's do you know of? How many would you entrust your children to?

I can't talk about prostrate issues, or the need for viagra- I can't talk about what the workings of the male body feels like- or how it impacts a mans life, but as a woman, I can say that there ARE differences in our physiological make up. And while there are men who nurture and care for children very well, and find enjoyment and fulfillment in doing so, they are not automatically interchangeable with women.- IMO and experience.

:hi:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:11 PM
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20. I would still say she could do it.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:31 PM
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26. could as in 'has the ability' or could as in
there is nothing wrong with putting your family absolutely last?
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:09 AM
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12. Knowing how the GOOPs like to pander, what do you want to bet
that they arrange for the baby to cry during the VP debates, so she can run off stage and return breast-feeding?? "Awwwww.... she's SUCH a good mom and how can that MEAN Joe Biden attack her?!"
:puke:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:18 PM
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24. I expect it from them
I sure didn't expect it here.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:46 PM
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28. And I think that's the point.
Most of us don't have a problem with working mothers, with single working mothers, with stay at home moms or stay at home dads. And while some of us DO have a problem with the nature of the job Ms. Palin is taking on -- not just VP should she win it but the campaigning preceding it -- when combined with the obligations of new motherhood, the real issue is that her lifestyle flies in the face of the traditional conservative values she and her party supposedly support.

Her husband works for "a foreign oil company" and is not exactly a Mr. Mom. Even as governor of a small-population state, she has extensive responsibilities. One of those "responsibilities" involved attending a governors' conference in Texas near the end of her pregnancy, a conference she attended WITH HER HUSBAND. So where were the children at this time? She has a four year old, too. Did she take that child with her to the conference in Texas? Who watched the child while she was giving speeches and attending meetings? Was the child stuck with a nanny?

If the child is being raised by nannies and other hired help, Sarah Palin is NOT raising it, she is NOT filling the role of "mother." She is, in essence, a brood mare: she gets pregnant, she gestates, she delivers, and then someone else raises it.

While booooosh and raygun before him may have perfected the art of the 9-to-5 presidency, SOMEONE has to run the government full-time. (Karl Rove, perhaps? Or the dowager veep cheeeeeney?) Palin cannot be a "traditional" mother and campaign for the vice presidency and then serve as vice president at the same. It has nothing to do with her being female or even being a mother; it has to do with her being a puke.

If she wants to admit that she doesn't really give a shit about her kids once she's spit 'em out, that all she really cares about is politics and power, even if its the vicarious power of being someone else's puppet, that's fine. But the puke ideology won't allow her to do that. She HAS to be a hypocrite. And that's what makes me sick to my stomach.


Tansy Gold

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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:08 AM
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10. They killed the experience talking point. And aren't fundies big on "A woman's place is at home"
meme. How about probably the most likely VP to be preisedent?!
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:09 AM
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11. Palin is probably just a name on the ballot. I bet Cheney/Rove will still run the show. n/t
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:14 PM
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21. Yep, Palin is just too progressive as a choice for their liking there will likely be those -->
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 05:16 PM by barack the house
who'll stay home.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:15 PM
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22. She'd be a terrible VP. But I don't think she's a bad runningmate.
McCain's goal is getting elected, not governing. She helps him in this regard.

The Obama team is skillful in running against a woman. I'm still cautiously optimistic.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:16 PM
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23. Okay which dur was that, they are not that smart?
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:19 PM
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25. Hey, the freepers have to be right some of the time.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 05:34 PM
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27. Whoa, a relatively-intelligent Freep! And one who writes in actual English (except for
that unfortunate placement of the comma outside the closing quotation mark).

Hey, you KNEW I'd find SOMETHING to criticize!

Redstone
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