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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:05 AM
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Drop the ethics thing RIGHT NOW! It's a trap
Apparently it was a brother in law who was beating his wife. She fired him as a state trooper. Republicans are just waiting for you to start screaming this one. MSNBC just said that was the story.

Unless we drop this now, we will be on the side of the wife beater.

Maybe someone can prove this wrong, but unless we are sure that we can prove she was lying, this makes her the defender of women at a time when McCain want PUMAS.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:09 AM
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1. you don't summarily fire a state trooper cause of alleged violence at home. It's called DUE PROCESS
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 10:10 AM by cryingshame
btw, are you suggesting that 'wife beaters' be fired from their jobs?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:10 AM
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2. and we all know republicans hate due process.
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:26 AM
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7. I was a little off, she fired the guy who would not fire the husband.
And also, it matters not what the truth is. Were talking about a republican here. Repubs will believe her. So in the medias eyes she will be a defender.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:11 AM
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3. To be clear, MSNBC said that that was *her* side of the story.
Time will tell if it's reality or not, as more information becomes available.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:22 PM
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19. Plus Palin has said that her sister was long divorced from him
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:11 AM
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4. Total abuse of power
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:18 AM
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5. Here's some Info


Commissioner dismissal
On July 11, 2008, Governor Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down. Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.< In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson, and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days.[br />
Governor Palin asserts that her dismissal of Monegan was unrelated to the fact that he had not fired Wooten, and asserts that Monegan was instead dismissed for not adequately filling state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues." Palin acknowledges that a member of her administration, Frank Bailey, did contact the Department of Public Safety regarding Wooten, but both Palin and Bailey say that happened without her knowledge and was unrelated to her dismissal of Monegan. Bailey was put on leave for two months for acting outside the scope of his authority as the Director of Boards and Commissions.

In response to Palin's statement that she had nothing to hide, in August 2008 the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal, though lawmakers acknowledge that "Monegan and other commissioners serve at will, meaning they can be fired by Palin at any time." The investigation is being overseen by Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and thus subpoenas are unnecessary. The Palin administration itself was the first to release an audiotape of Bailey making inquiries about the status of the Wooten investigation.

Wooten and the police union alleged that the governor had improperly released his employment files in his divorce case. However, McCann's attorney released a signed waiver from Wooten demonstrating that Wooten had authorized the release of his files through normal discovery procedures.

I see where the guy was suspended for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson, and violating game laws, but nothing about beating his wife.

Can you provide a link where that accusation was made? Thanks.



But once again the police union comes to the rescue of a brother officer:

After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days.





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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:09 PM
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12. a bi-partisan board chose to investigate her... it is not a Dem witchhunt.
It was bi-partisan, and there was enough doubt that it warranted an investigation. Remember.. she is also the person that quit a commission and then went after eveyrone on the commission to get them all fired. Seems she has a revengeful streak...
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:23 AM
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6. Was he convicted of abuse
Was he even charged with it? Is it a he said/she said with no evidence either way. Perhaps he should have been at the very least charged for she fired him.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:29 AM
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8. that will be considered a technicality - if this stuff turns out to be true...
political poison
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:31 AM
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9. Laws are tecnicalities?
Due process? That'll be an interesting argument from the "law and order" people.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:14 PM
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20. pfft. .they haven't done "law and order" in that party for 8 years. . .n/t
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:01 PM
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10. K&R This plays well with Independents - From McBush's point of view... nt
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:05 PM
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11. If the State Leg. thinks it's worthy of an investigation.. so do I!
Hell.. ask any divorce attorney how many allegations fly in an ugly divorce. As someone who was abused by a former spouse, I know it happens.. I also know it's the most used tactic in a divorce to gain advantage (sadly.) If the guy wasn't charged or convicted of it, then NO ONE knows if it's true. The point is that she not only tried to get the guy fired, she also fired the commissioner that refused to fire him... and lied about.

Why the hell would I back off an ETHICS investigation of a governor?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:13 PM
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13. I agree
I would rather focus on the fact that McCain went for shock value over added economic and foreign policy for his ticket. There's no political advantage on grilling her over this.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:14 PM
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14. panic much?
.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:15 PM
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15. Uh, no. Flog the shit out of it.
It's a serious investigation right now, and appears to be a serious case of abuse of power.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:15 PM
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16. Actually, she fired the guy that wouldn't fire the tropper
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:15 PM
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17. Since when is a Governor also the judge and jury? Why even bother having a court system, then. Just
haul 'em before the guv and she can lay down the law any way she sees fit.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 12:21 PM
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18. She didn't fire the wife-beater. She fired his supervisor.
And that is the very definition of corruption. Abusing your power to go after someone personally no matter who else gets axed along the way.
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