HAVE YOU PEOPLE LOST YOUR MINDS? we are not the mommy police.

get off it.
we support women making their own choices here. there are plenty of things to bash the republican ticket about. not being a good enough mommy should not be one.
just stop it. just stop it right here.

Honor her choice to raise her child.

Remind everyone, though, that her positions on healthcare harm others who've made that choice.

a special needs child that is an infant needs the maternal/paternal attention in its formative years - I'd say you were right if this child didn't have the needs it has and if dad didn't work.

They are the family values party, did she bring the child into the world to nuture it or just have it to prove she doesn't believe in abortion.

I don't think this is an issue the campaign should touch, the people who know the challenges of parenting their special needs children will see for themselves what family values mean to her.

it is hers, and her family's.

If she uses the fact that she is the mother of a special needs child to win favor, to pull at the heart strings of the voters, then she opens herself to scrutiny. Much like the POW card, it depends on how often she uses her child as a prop as to how she will be viewed.

Obama/Biden will not and should not touch it, they need to stick to the issues. But that doesn't mean I have to stop questioning the mother of the year and that special needs parents won't question her commitment to her child.

to say what she should and shouldn't be doing.
i'm not arguing that these people aren't hypocrites. just saying, let's just don't be hypocrites ourselves.

Special needs parents will see her for what she is, they know all too well that these first years are the most crucial. I know of parents that knew what their child needs and I know of parents that treat the child like a pet - those fully involved in the special needs movement (and it is strong and it is aware) will know what type of family value parent she is. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how she handles this and that alone will define who she is for many.

I find your posts offensive, condescending and arrogant. I myself have a special needs child - you're full of shit.

through it's formative years. Because if you didn't I'd question your family values :crazy:

(I was a single mom for 5 of my son's 19 years - really didn't have a choice about working outside the home. Hope I didn't damage him irreparably during the years I was earning money to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table...)

She has a choice, she made her choice.

She has made her choice, that is no assumption.

You don't know her household make up do you?

Does she have someone living in the home to help w/the children?

How many hours a day does she work as Governor?

Does she work from home?

they kill game to eat, seems as though she is not in such a state that she has to work.

You don't know her finacial position
You don't know her household make up
You don't know what kind of help she has at home
You don't know how much time she spends at the office or if she can work out of her home.

Both poor and wealthy kill game for food. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

that's cool, you are entitled to your opinion.

I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me.

so be it

Easier than thinking about what you posted.

I could get into a really pissy, pissing match with you, I could give you specifics and play this silly game with you or I can just step out before it becomes nastier than what it needs to be and as nasty as you are trying to make it.

I was never trying to make it nasty - I just wondered what qualifications you felt you had to judge a mother of a disabled child who chose to work outside the home.

You don't feel you need any other than your relationship with people who also work with the disabled and your knowledge of sign language and your attending conferences.

And truly you don't need any qualifications to pass judgment on others. Just looking at your post proves that.

needs child to be able to have an informed opinion on the issues involved, to be able to voice that opinion?

I don't claim to be an advocate, I have worked with very involved and knowledgable advocates that I will be the first to admit, I couldn't hold a candle to their brillance and involvement.

Go fight someone else, please stop the attacks and judgment of me.

In my judgement, Palin has abdicated any high ground from which to lecture me about family values.

Plus what he makes fishing.

They had options and they chose a path which I considered selfish when that choice was forced on me.

:hi:

I find your posts offensive, condescending and arrogant. I myself have a special needs child - you're full of shit.

By GOD, well said and hear, hear....

:applause:

and hold up the birth of her last child as evidence of how serious she is about her pro-life stance.

She had a choice, but would deny that choice to others who might not have the resources she has to take care of that child, or rather have others take care of him.

She says he will be a gift, and a challenge. Apparently not for her, but for someone I'm sure.

If she uses her child to get votes she needs to be called on it. Just like all the POW spouting from McSame.

i think the debate is about the morality of it ...
which is okay to debate if you ask me

so that one parent can stay home to raise them through their formative years?

so that they can afford to be there to take care of their children. And of course, there are the health care concerns and the advocacy for health care.

Of course, many also advocate the public school systems and inclusion - that their children can grow up as normal as possible and have exposure to life as any other child.

They are a very devoted and strong group.

Are you a disability advocate?

One of my closest friends is a very big advocate and has taught me a great deal. I read about Palin several months back and copied the article in an email to my friend. I commented then that in 10 to 15 years Palin would be a formible force in politics and one I might even consider supporting. I think this is too soon for her to take the national stage, too soon for her child and too soon because she is inexperienced.

makes you an expert on raising a child with disabilities?

I've worked with advocates and have personal relationships with parents of special needs children and special needs children. If you could only read my hands as I sign to you.

I work with advocates, have worked with advocates, have attended national conferences, but I don't label myself an advocate as you seem intent on narrowly defining in your petty efforts to try to trap me.

just like NOT working with and for the disabled would shade your responses.

Your responses are vague - you know some people and have worked with some people and have gone to conferences.

Although you (obviously) can make whatever judgments you wish I'm wondering what experiences you have had that make you feel qualified to make those judgments.

Asking how a person got to the point of judging isn't really petty. Your being defensive about judging Governor Palin makes me wonder how comfortable you are about making that judgment.

You don't like my opinion, that's fine.

which is why you keep typing defensive responses.

I'm trying to be respectful of you, as a DUer, as a person.

I answered your questions and don't think I should be required to post my cv to bolster my opinions.

Uh, no.

No one is being the "mommy police"... people are pointing out the hypocrisy of the "family values" crowd.

I work with a woman with a special needs child, a child who is more profoundly impaired than most Downs Syndrome children. My friend adopted her when she was abandoned by her birth mother - the girl was born crack-addicted and has numerous and serious issues.

My friend works full time as does her husband. They have to because in Bush's America, they would not be able to cover their expenses and the expenses of their special-needs daughter if they didn't.

Are you telling me that my friend - and all the people out there in the exact same position - is a lousy and neglectful mother? Because that's what it sounds like.

You need to re-think your stance here. There are so many issues to attack Palin on - calling her a "bad mother" because she works sounds way too much like the other guys.

A mom with a kid with disabilities needs all the help she can get. That you have to give her some respect. Nevertheless, her story doesn't mean she's qualified to act as a veep--she doesn't even know the freakin' duties of a Vice-President!!

does not do it for you?
What have you got against men?

Neither stays home with their children.

Anyway - time for us to stop tsking about other people's family arrangements.

to care for my special needs child. That was my priority.

Do I consider what she has done a mortal sin? No. But I will not be lectured about family values by people for whom it means nothing more than a bumpersticker and a rationale to hate gays.

of what the non-hypocritical fundie response should be.

As a stay at home mom, I truly commend woman who balance work and motherhood. We can do both. This is a dumb argument and is better left alone. Her inexperience on the other hand...

:thumbsup:

we are calling her on the hypocrisy of her position!

I agree. Hopefully they will just stop it.

I'm not ready to berate their parenting abilities yet. Or probably ever for that matter. I can certainly say this isn't something I could imagine doing, but again, who am I to judge her?

she is a great mom. Im sure she will be spending tons of time with them especially since she is a single mom.

How the hell does one "homeschool" five kids and be governor and run for veep.

That aspect of it is annoying because she's such a freakin' fundie and wants to force public schools to teach "creationism" etc., at the same time, like most freeper types, she hates education.

you don't have to hate education to home school, tho. lot's of lefties out there doing it.

is quite common. It is actually the only 'schooling' available to kids in some areas.

My friends children did this, and it was paid for by the govt.

And more than likely (she advocates teaching creationism in schools) she will be against funding public education and special education for those of us who can't afford to staff our own private school at home!

This idea of parking kids in front of the computer and taking off for the day -- ????

many people are still trying to tell women how to be, who to vote for, when and if to have children and the list is long and why a lot of women were angry about the way that Hillary was treated. Stay the hell away from my bedroom, my uterous and the voting booth.

I certainly wouldn't want people deciding what jobs I can and cannot do because I have a special needs kid!

So I agree with you there but I'm very curious how does one "home school" five kids, be a governor and run for veep.

Homeschooling in Alaska it's quite common. Computers are many kids only HS program.

Years ago, my friends kids used correspondence school curriculum- It's hard to travel and rescources for schooling can be pretty limited.

i have a neighbor who lived most of her life there, and she home schooled her 3 kids while working on a salmon boat, away from home for 2 weeks at a time.
most of alaska is just empty space. there are few towns big enough to justify a regular school. the system is set up for kids to do correspondence, and go to a bigger town twice a year for testing.
it is the school system for most of alaska's kids.

A woman has the right to raise her children if she so chooses. Other women have the right to go into the workforce. This is the essence of equal rights, that we allow each to do as they will and do not force any of them to follow a prescribed path.

It's unbelievable.

People vote on the type of person you are. We didn't have a problem saying what a good daddy Joe Biden was.
If your into politics your free game or go to the sidelines.

I have very definite ideas about the issue.

I would question the wisdom of any woman in a situation similar to Sarah's. She made a conscious decision to bring this baby into this world, knowing full well (after having 4 others) the personal responsibilities involved with being a mother. The fact that her son has special needs, only underscores the importance of her being able to 'be there' for her infant, and to be as healthy and un-stressed as possible.

I believe she made a very selfish and impulsive choice to take on the exhausting challenge of running for VP given her present obligations and responsibilities as a mother to her large and complicated family. This isn't to say being 'a mother' disqualifies any woman for any job- but there ARE times in our lives, as women AND men when our personal lives- when the promises and decisions we've made to our families cause us to be unsuited for a job we are otherwise fully qualified for.

Sandra Day O'Connor's retirement is an example I'll offer- she felt her commitment to her ailing husband left her unable to to continue to be the SC-Justice that she'd been doing quite well at for years-

This isn't a 'sexist' or 'police' issue. It's a question of honoring one's personal responsibilities. McCain's "put my country first" bullshit meme- does not justify people abandoning their personal responsibilities for their own ego centric gains.

If there were no other person who could do the job as well as Palin- then perhaps it would be different. But she is hardly 'the best person for the job'.


IMO

n/t

Demanding abstinence from others while your own daughter is having sex is hypocrisy.

There is no other way to state it.

If this is part of another conversation, it seems like a gratuitous duplication. If it's referencing another conversation but it's not in there, why?

Why do I have to read multiple threads to follow one conversation? It's a waste of my time.

bwahahahaha if you think that reading stuff on a message board is a waste of time, why are you here?

there are several threads whining about this woman's failure to be appropriately madonna-like. i replied in a couple, but these seem to be breeding like flies.

The other side needs its own beach head.

then she is the mommy police. Oh, and since she wants my daughter's PUBLIC school to teach loony creationism, she is the mommy police. Screw her!

and sickeningly often true.

She has the resources to have her special needs child raised by others while trying to deny the choice of other women who may not have those same resources.

What a gift and a challenge that child will be, she has said. Not a challenge for her, mind you. She won't be around. But a gift and a challenge for somebody, I'm sure. Perhaps the nanny.

I'm not the mommy police. I'm the hypocrite police.