Governor Palin, I sincerely thank you.

Your words today did what nothing else could have done. All over the Democratic world, I see people who opposed Clinton and people who supported Clinton joined together in mutual outrage that such a coattail-riding nothing as you could compare yourself to Senator Clinton, and then claim that you're going to accomplish what she couldn't. I see unity, I see Democrats not hating each other anymore, and I fucking love it.

I'm guessing that McCain chose you because he mistakenly assumes that we Clinton supporters were only behind her because she's a woman. That's not even close to being the case. We supported her because she's tough, brilliant, hard-working, dedicated, and just a damned fine lawmaker and public servant all-around. The gender thing was mostly just the icing on the cake, so to speak. There are some within our ranks (not many, but some) who until recently were still rather dubious about voting for Obama. The wounds of the primary hurt badly, and left scars.

However, the moment that McCain nominated you as his running mate and you made your ill-fated little comments, you became the butterfly wings that started a windstorm. In this case, that storm didn't damage--it healed. It blew away months of resentment and hurt, and brought us all together again. People who were angry at Senator Clinton are now angry at YOU for comparing yourself to her--right or wrong, she's OURS. Clinton supporters who were hurting over the primaries are now furious with YOU for pretending that you're even fit to stand in her shadow, much less take her place in our hearts.

Governor Palin, let me be plain. You are a joke. You're a hyped-up beauty queen with practically no experience. You're in the midst of a scandal because you abused your power as a governor in order to get a bit of revenge on someone who refused to cater to your pathetic and petty nepotism. You're a woman who wants to strip away the bodily autonomy of your fellow women--a traitor of the vilest sort. You're only on the Republican ticket because Hillary Rodham Clinton worked her ASS off to convince America that a woman CAN be tough enough to lead this nation. Love Clinton or hate her, nobody can deny that she's tough as nails; her historic primary run, controversies and all, certainly made sure that the vast majority of America now believes that women ARE tough enough to lead. If not for the work she did in changing the status-quo mindset about what women are capable of doing, YOU would not be where you are today.

I have witnessed the careers of Senator Obama and Senator Clinton with admiration, frustration, and a deep sense of gratitude for being born in time to see all of these wonderful changes happen. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton brought more positive change to America during a PRIMARY than the Republican party has been able to muster after a GENERAL election win. We know Senator Obama and Senator Clinton; they are part of us, and we are part of them. John McCain is no Barack Obama, and YOU are certainly no Hillary Clinton. But in comparing yourself to her, you did what many of us thought could never happen--you brought Obama and Clinton supporters together again. Thank you ever so much--we appreciate it.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, be aware--you are standing on the tracks, and the Democratic train is coming. Oh yes it is. We are united, we are Democrats together, and we are unstoppable. The wisest thing that either of you two nincompoops could do would be to get the hell OUT OF THE WAY.

Kitchen sink? Get ready for the whole goddamned kitchen.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

TO UNITY!!
:toast:

How dare McSame think that he could get Clinton's votes if he put a woman on the ticket. This woman is nowhere near the same ballpark as Hillary. We like Hillary because she is Hillary. For her to also be a woman is just an extra blessing.

"Pride goeth before a fall"...........
found this smart comment on Huffpo!
Why did he pick Palin?

I don't think HE did. I think Mac & his campaign are being "handled". I believe that the reason he doesn't know his position on issues is because his "handlers" have told him which position he needs to take to win. I believe these "handlers" will expect to run the country should Mac win in November.

However, these "handlers" are not stupid and know there's a risk of Mac not being able to serve out his full term. Now, if you were one of these "handlers" and you had to deal with the Veep, would you be able to control Ridge, Romney, Pawlenty, Lieberman??? No. These folks have have been around a little on the federal/international level.

You'd want someone who is admittedly unaware of what's happening in Iraq, has no federal/international exposure. Someone who will totally dependent on you & your team for information. Imagine, you can say ANYTHING....

My thoughts. Why else would he pick someone he doesn't know? It's not just the Hillary voters. I'm a woman. We're not stupid. You can't replace one with another. ("Oh gosh, the Dems didn't pick a woman so I will")

Infuriating, isn't it?

The AP has a new story out. Check out below.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/12997

Essentially, McCain is desperate, willing to gamble, and worried. I am glad the media is on our side. They can tell REPUKES are EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can think faster than I type.

That quote of her's about Hillary, the 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling and the implication that SHE was going to start where Hillary left off left my wife scowling and cursing in the other room.

I won't repeat what SHE said, because your post so elegantly says pretty much the same thing.....

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MCLAME IS TOAST

because she was a woman. I guess they don't care about issues.

Ask them if women are like interchangeable legos.

reality will set in and they'll pull the Obama lever (or punch the Obama chad!!!)

MCLAME IS TOAST

Complacency is a KILLER in politics.

This isn't over until November 4th.

Crush the GOopers like a bug.

:kick::kick::kick:

we cannot be complacent.

I find it hard to believe they spent 8 yrs concentrating all that power in the presidency just to politely hand it to any Dem. I'm holding my breath every day until 1/20/09.

I might be blue in the face by 1/19/09. Either Bush & Co. will be on their plane to Paraguay or they will have successfully stolen another election.

No one but the wackos want the war.
No one but wackos like the DC Ban decision.
No one but wackos like McBush and his transvestite running mate.

BTW, is she Katherine Harris' sister. They could be twins.

:kick:

You got it exactly right. She's not fit to mention Hillary Clinton.

I think you are right about the healing of the party...

she was picked.

She is an insult to all the women who have worked hard to get ahead in life.

It must be nice to have everything handed to you on a silver platter by Daddy McCain.

:puke:

She could be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, but she'll only have to stand through ONE debate... and 2 brief months of limited scrutiny.

I'm worried that we don't have enough time to expose her for what she is.

They would all be hot for the beauty queen and vote with their peckers.

So imagine that McSame won.

Would her husband stay in Alaska with his job? We all know that Cindy doesn't like Washington. Would Cindy stay in Arizona? Did Mc choose her because he still thinks like a 17 year old boy?

Would she resign to spend more time with her family, and then Cheney sould return?

Not so much for myself, but for all the other young men I know who are informed and dedicated to political causes. There are many men my age who put careful consideration into their political stances and a tremendous amount of work toward making the world a better place. How is your comment any different from someone saying that young women should not vote because they are too emotional or not smart enough to make the right choice?

Back when I was a teenager, I was fighting the Reagan administration. I was more of an activist back then than I am now. I'm proud young people like you are getting so involved in this election. I expect great things from your generation.

have a good chance of military service if McCain wins, an option McCain is considering when he answered a question from the audience, recently. That should give pause to all 17 yr-old boys, even if they are not as smart as Uberllama.

I understand that Democratic women may be a bit sensitive now, but that remark about the 17 year olds and the peckers sounded very sexist. You don't unite a society with language like that.

She didn't run for the nomination at all, she was picked... Like Lieberman in 2000, Gore in 1992, Bentsen in 1988, Ferraro in 1984, Mondale in '76...

:kick:

Well said!


Hillary Clinton may drive me batty at times but she is the real deal. This woman is a fake and trying to paint herself as equal to Hillary is a joke.

who supported Senator Clinton? A K&R for a great post. You nailed it.

:hi:

:dem:

:applause:

Peace,
Bob

my sentiments exactly!

I've been so angry and sad since the announcement, I still haven't been able to get my thoughts together to make a cohesive post. This is great :hi:.

K&R :kick:

:kick:

K&R!! :applause:

This post is an example of why I like to post here.

Excellent post. :applause:

K&R

K&R&:thumbsup:

:)

I was not a Hillary supporter during the primaries, but would have gladly cast my vote for her. I don't know how anyone after seeing how HARD Hillary has worked over the years could not be outraged by Palin's remarks.


Hillary always blew me away with her command of the details of domestic policy, foreign policy, you name it. This wannabe doesn't even know what the duties of the VP are.

I didn't think she was progressive enough. ( Kucinich supporter here)
But look what they have put in place as her substitute.............
Pro-life, pro-creationist, pro-oil, anti-environment.......fundie ( I know she is Catholic, isn't Dick Cheney too. Te dominionist sect is as scary as the fundies.......She would move us backward at lightening speed!
It's beyond insult to Hillary & all women!

freak anyone out. Ashcroftian fundie wacko sect.

If he had picked someone who put in the time, energy and sacrifice I could see it. I wouldn't vote that ticket but, I could see it. This twit hasn't paid her fucking dues to claim what others have given blood, sweat and tears. Fuck her!

Do these motherfuckers think we're stupid?! :puke:

They misunderstood Hillary's supporters and they have sealed their fate. We will not get complacent we will bury them.

If they can do it to get Bush in, what is to stop them from doing it again ? That is my worry. I hope that the people have control of our country, but I'm scared about who is really in charge of our votes. Am I the only one that fears our governing body ? Who are the ones that have power over us ? Please, please help me to understand as I think we need to find this out so we don't keep getting numb-nuts to look at on the TV. I want to know how they are manipulating us normals.( as they call us ) Mrs, Moose

but if the Democratic voters come out in overwhelming numbers, I mean numbers that no slight of hand can erase then we should be okay.

I had a feeling when Bush got in that they made a deal with McCain that they would put him in if he would just be nice. It was just a feeling, so nothing to go on, but it is their style. I hope everyone will do all they can to put our world back on track. You gave me some comfort, thank you. Mrs. Moose

The key for us is not to be complacent and get lazy. I don't think we will have this issue this year.

she's there to bring back the arch-conservative wing of the Repuke party back into McCain's camp. She was a desperate pick, but sometimes, that Hail Mary pass wins the game. McLame's fund-raising numbers have already started to rise, and all without having to pick Mittens and risk pissing off the fundies (that was my prediction for his choice.)

The only women she will appeal to from the independents and the DLC'ers are those who really don't pay any attention to politics anyway. However, if we don't stop the "beauty queen" "abandoning her family" and "brought a defective child into the world" nonsense, we will just give those folks out there who are brainless enough, a reason to have some sympathy for her.

“Just find some broad to throw out there. Them pissed off Hillary dames will come stampeding over to our side. I tellya, it can't fail”

Not that it is needed, but here's another K&R.

It was rightly noted in Denver this week that Hillary left 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America but it turns out the women of America aren’t finished yet and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94118910

K&R!!!

:kick:

That was GREAT!

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K&R



thank you oktoberain :hug:

and "joke", yep, that about sums her up! Not to mention blowing McCain's meme about Obama's "inexperience" right the hell out of the water and into outer space.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

:toast:

Palin's comments were a slap in the face to all women. She has done nothing in her life that equates to what Hillary has done. She is currently be investigated and possible impeached from the Governers office.
McCain is openly mocking the Clintons and women everywhere. I hope that Hillary campaigns for Obama just to keep that fraud away from the White House.

fraud...rhymes with broad! :rofl:

sorry...please continue with discussing this awesome post!

K& R btw

That Hillary's supporters would make political bedfellows with anyone who happens to be female.

By the way, should McCain be using Hillary as a weapon against Obama when a) she didn't win b) McCaion used her "fired up and ready to go" in a speech?

:headbang:
rocknation

I so hope Hillary and Bill find many ways to nail McGrumpy/Pale-in' this Fall.

Brilliantly said.

Palin, Hillary does more to advance women in a week's work than you will in a lifetime. In fact, she does more to advance women in a week than you are able to set us back in a lifetime of your jaw flapping.

Forget an ordinary microscope. Lets get out an electron microscope. Let's get a nice little peek at just what kind of shit your dna is made of.

:kick:

And I wasn't a Hill supporter, but wasn't too into Obama. Well this freak changed that. I can't believe she thinks she can ride Hillary's coattails! No, she can't!

:applause:
Great post, oktoberain....
you said it all.
I thank you very much.
:toast:

That Sarah Palin looks an awful LOT like Dawn Wells....

Anyone remember Gilligan's Island?


I'll bet she's the illicit love child of Mary Ann and the Professor....

Way to go, DUers! :applause:

What a manipulator. NOT.EVEN.CLOSE. However, I was secretly hoping Hillary would be our VP. Most days anyway.

she`s a beard

:applause:

Brava, what an excellent post. Yes, we are coming straight at these horrible corrupt Republicans. We will take back some of the most important reigns of power, and begin the very difficult task of rebuilding our America.

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surely doesn't deserve to be our VP, and possible PRESIDENT!

Terrifying pick by McCain - and a hopeful landslide for Obama...

around the country GOPers are saying, "Sarah who???"

MORE AT www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

:kick:

And Palin called Hillary a whiner.

Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state's entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's "whining."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156190

Rush Limbaugh just called Palin a "babe." She might like it though -- beauty queens love been told their pretty. Maybe her and Cindy can compare tiars.

“We’re the ones with the babe on the ticket.” :puke:

http://thepage.time.com/2008/08/29/rush-a-babe-on-the-ticket/

I can't wait to vote gainst her. She's an insult to women everywhere.

Even though it's already on the front page, I recommended it anyway.

Fantastic post!

:kick: :kick:

Spread the Palin-Quayle meme. It will work.

My first impression of Sarah Palin was to think of Dan Quayle with female anatomy.

I'll give George HW Bush's vice president one point for preserving the gravitas of the vice presidency. I very much doubt that there's a picture of him in a swimsuit and heels in a beauty pagent.

For Hillary, it was one relentless attack after another at the hands of these partisan assholes. Remember the Whitewater hearings (aka witch hunt) and other Ken Starr-led inquisitions? For these hypocrites to pretend to empathize with and capitalize on Hillary's second-place finish is a real stretch to put it kindly.

I was so insulted by her blythely co-opting Hillary's hard work. Even though I wasn't a strong Hillary supporter, I have the utmost respect for her and her work. This bimbo 'trophy' candidate makes me want to :puke:
Thank you for putting the exact same thoughts I had in your post.

They're only hope of winning is trolling for progressive-minded Hillary voters with a right-wing idealogue whose only commonality is in gender-based anatomy. Unfortunately for the GOP campaign, and fortunately for the rest of us, the overwhelming majority of the 18,000,000 "targeted" voters will not be taking the bait.

:thumbsup:



:loveya:

:loveya: :hug:

Pure truth.

This VP choice is ridiculous to start with, Mrs. Palin proved that with these comments.

ain't it. I may be wrong but it seems Fate has given Hillary a certain awesome task in this 2008 General Election..uniquely suited to her.

We're gonna see what unfolds.

I don't like HRC in the slightest (or Bill for that matter), and I was unsure of Obama until I listened to what he had to say last night. So for a long time now, I've had no dog in this race whatsoever.

But from the first I heard that McCain had selected this woman, I knew it was nothing but calculated to try to lure the disaffect HRC supporters. And I thought, anyone who would fall for this is doing nothing but selling their country out totally, not the party...the country, period. Oh, and their fellow females of the species, too.

I would hope those who really supported HRC wouldn't fall for such a transparent charade as this. But I gotta say that some of them that I heard interviewed on NPR during the lead-up to the convention just might do it. The ones that said they'd vote for McCain just might go along with this ruse. You know why? Because ever last one of them I heard interviewed did nothing but whine about themselves and what they wanted, and what they had done for the women's movement all those years, and for HRC's campaign. Oh, how hard they had worked and for nothing! Waaaaaaa! Those are the ones that will do it because, ya know it was always all about them to begin with and never about what is going to be the best choice in this election.

I work in a place with many of the zealously religious right occupying the halls. And I tell you what, the men weren't sure how they felt about it (did I mention they are all senior citizens?) but the really wacky zealots were saying that Palin's a Christian woman and so they feel they must, must, must help get McCain elected.

Anyone who considers themselves an independent or a Dem, or even just woman, should take it upon herself to make sure that does not happen...for their country and their fellow women.

Who the hell does she think she is? She hasn't been through half of what Hillary has been through and doesn't have a tenth of her intelligence, drive, ambition, determination, or fortitude.

Great post. K&R.

:rofl:

intelligence level. so self absorbed and clueless she can't see it objectively!

THIS one I did recommend. I think it sums up the opinion of many Clinton supporters, and the fact that their principles and ideals outweigh the fact that Hillary Clinton is a woman. Being male, female, black, white, Jewish, Christian, etc. etc. is so irrelevant if the policies of a candidate are wrong. In Hillary Clinton's case (and Barack Obama's as well) either one would be the best candidate against John McCain. That we have Biden too is overwhelmingly compelling.

McCain thinks that just because he picked a woman (a CONSERATIVE, narrowminded woman at that) he'll get a big part of those 18 million voters? He forgets that those 18 million primary voters are DEMOCRATIC primary voters. They're democrats and voted for a (woman) candidate because they agreed with her DEMOCRATIC positions on the issues, not simply because she is a woman. Republicans may be, but Democrats just aren't that shallow!

I particularly like your warning, "John McCain and Sarah Palin, be aware - - you are standing on the tracks, and the Democratic train is coming. Oh yes it is. We are united, we are Democrats together, and we are unstoppable. The wisest thing that either of you two nincompoops could do would be to get the hell OUT OF THE WAY."

Great job!!

I couldn't have said it better.

It still remains to be seen how the media will prop up this ridiculous pairing and pass off the sow's ear as a silk purse (and that's an old saying, not meant in a sexist context).

NoFederales

I wish I could recommend this a hundred times! :applause:

Excellent post :kick: .

Paybacks gonna be a bitch!

That was beautiful!

had more political experience before she left college than this flyweight has today.

However, I am loving the spectacle of the GOP "faithful" tap dancing and trying to slather enough lipstick on this pig.

It's a gimmick. It's transparent. It's desperate.

The best response ever. Have you considered speech writing?

I'm a college student--an English/Creative Writing major and a Political Science minor. I'd love to write speeches someday, for good, decent, worthy Democrats. It's something of a dream of mine. Thank you for saying that--you really made me feel fantastic. :hug:

:applause: Fucking A! That was a brilliant summation. And because one wasn't enough, here's 99 more.

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(Obviously...recommended.)

and even he says McSame just handed the election to Obama with Failin' as his veep pick.

:thumbsup:
:applause:

peace~

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I just came from another great thread that I called the unity post. But now that I've read yours, and what a wonderful example of how we are unified in our feelings of anger and outrage, I believe that a trend has indeed begun.

DU is truly unified to kick some republican ass and make them cry for their mommy! :kick:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Great post

McPOW really stepped in it this time! What was the man thinking?? A former beauty queen/small town mayor/not even one term governor that is in the midst of a scandal = Hillary Rodham Clinton to dem women voters????

:wtf:

McWar just proved again that he is batshit crazy and the last person on earth that should occupy the White House.
Not to mention he kicked the shit out of his own talking points about Obama's supposed lack of experience for the job.

He puts a zero national experience, zero military experience, zero foreign policy experience, Big Oil owned beauty queen, one 72 year old heartbeat away from the presidency!? Batshit crazy, my friends!:crazy:

I can wait for the democratic tsunami in the GE that will wash the rethug filth out of Washington DC so we can get to rebuilding the american dream and the middle class the thugs have tried so desperately to destroy.

Rec

You have written an OP in GDP that is virtually flameproof, and something that we can all agree on. That is a feat not easily achieved in this forum, and you are to be commended for that. :)

This is a damn fine post, and I think you are absolutely correct on all counts.

Kicked, recommended, and bookmarked.

:kick:

K & R

:kick: bless you!!

What worries me about Palin is not her overwhelming vileness (her record is essentially Jesse Helms with tits) but how the MSM will treat her. Given that she's fairly young, vaguely physically attractive and able to speak conherantly, I'm worried the MSM is going to fawn all over her. And you know that I think the people are dumb enough to believe it.

At least in the beginning. But you know what happens when sharks scent blood. We just have to bleed her enough to draw them in.

:hug: :loveya:

I think you've taken care of that! Let me give this thread its 213th rec.

Took the words right out of my brain.

Best. Essay. Ever. What a way to channel energy. My guru! My hero! Thank you! :dem: :dem: :dem:

coming from 'thoughtful' dems; it reflects badly on all of us.


'coattail-riding nothing as you'

well written statement. She'll be a national joke to most everyone, not just us, very soon.

I am about to utter words I've never said here before "CHOOOOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOO!" ;)

I'm not going back on my prediction that McCain won't last as a candidate till November. But now am throwing in that Palin won't either. A week or two after the hoopla at the Repug convention, she will be found to have a skeleton in her closet and dropped (not very well vetted), with a NEW VP candidate appt.made by McCain.

Watch for that new VP candidate to be the REAL presidential nominee when McCain has "Health problems" around the middle of Oct., too late to get the dirt on the VP replacement, who will get sympathy vote, it could even be another female.

...as she's under investigation in Alaska for, get ready, ETHICS violations related to Ted Stevens.

And this skeleton was not even in the closet - it was OUT IN THE OPEN, decaying flesh and all covering the bones, stinking up the place.

There could be one of two things going on here:

1. The RepubliCANTS are punting this election and prepping for 2012;
2. Your scenario above, where Grampaw McSaime chooses somebody else.

One thing about the sympathy vote - considering the economy, the Middle East, and everything else that the 'CANTS have dumped on us, do you think that there will be much of a sympathetic mood come November, should Grampy either bite it or head to the funny farm?

I knew Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton was a friend of mine.
Governor. You are no Hillary Clinton.

I wonder if Biden is practicing this line yet.

That would bring the house down. Talk about a show-stopper...

Great comments!

You Rock!

I've been told to get on the "mothership and leave North America," and my husband has been
informed quite eloquently that he is "a stupid Son of a Bitch who needs an Checkup from the
Neckup," and that the Democtratic Party doesn't need the Clintons anymore.
He is switching from Democratic to Independent at the next chance for voter
registration. He will not vote Obama in the fall, but will write-in Hillary or "none of the above:
in the GE. After the bashing he took from Obama people, I cannot blame him. He is very
bitter now.

A lovely post, but a lot of people here on DU find it wonderful to bash Hillary whenever
necessary or possible, or else they bash her supporters, or else they believe that women in general
need to sit quietly when their children are trashed for illicit
sexual activity--especially their female children.

Nevertheless, I agree--get ready for the whole damned kitchen, and especially when that kitchen sink falls on
the daughters and sons of the political challengers! If there is little dirt to be found on the challenger's
plate, one can always involve the kids and abuse them.

:kick:
I cannot agree with your statement in the least. I just hope that the corporate media get the skinny out about this facade in a hurry.

this selection is the lowest sort of pandering to identity politics, and we all need to call them out now, while the dust is still not settled. Don't give these liars an inch or they'll steal for miles....

Blood in the water, baby.

Nice analysis!

They did one for unqualified, condescending pick Harriet Meyers. Why shouldn't Sarah Palin have her very own tell-all blog?

http://sarapalin.blogspot.com/

Please feel free to mail me any new material you think should be up there!

UP

left you a comment.

This is INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:kick: & REC'D and the whole damned thing!!!

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=2944135&pagenumber=9#post348459360

stormrider
Sep 18, 2003

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As a born & raised Alaskan, today has been tumultuous day.

My cell started ringing at rear end-crack:30 this morning (Alaska is -1 Pacific, -4 ET) with the rumor mill, and then a little later the confirmed WTF calls. Friends and family from all over the country calling to ask about our Gov.

It was of course impossible to go back to sleep after that, so I've been tired all day. But lack of sleep isn't what caused the looming sense of dread I've felt all day.

While the national media and some democrats have had a field day with the Palin VP pick, most Alaskan dems have been wandering around dazed and disoriented, feeling like the rug was pulled out from under us.

My plea is "Don't underestimate her."

I worked on the Tony Knowles gubernatorial campaign 2 years ago that Sarah emerged from with a huge portion of the vote. A little back story: Frank Murkowski, our ex-senator turned Gov (who appointed his daughter, Lisa Murkowski to replace him) was running for reelection, even though he was pretty unpopular. The Dems decided to run Tony, a popular ex-Governor to beat Frank. Sarah, a relative unknown, was running in the primary against Frank and a wide field of well-liked Alaskan politicians, and was treated like a joke, right up to the primary election night when it became clear that she was the Republican candidate.

The general election season continued the theme. Andrew Halcro, the independent, and Tony Knowles, the dem, both did their best to ignore her. Both were vastly superior candidates, but Sarah managed to weasel her way into the hearts of Alaskans. No one took her as a serious threat. At debates her answers were always "The Palin Parnell team will hire experts to look into the best course of action", where Knowles and Halcro had the experience and knowledge to offer recommendations. And while everyone joked about the "hot factor" influencing voters, no one really expected the amount of "America's hottest Governor" stuff that developed.

To many of us it felt like the Democratic party didn't ever take her seriously. We all knew Sarah had a chance of winning, even a good chance, Alaska is a very red state after all, but no one predicted the landslide that developed, or her ability to maintain an 80% approval rating.

Sarah is a shark. She is smart, and she is shrewd. However, she comes across as extremely personable; you can't help but like her in person. She is a good public speaker, I've seen better from her in Alaska, and considering how little time she had to prepare for today's speech, I think we'll see much better from her in the near future.

The biggest mistake we can make is to write her off, ignore her, or think she won't bring anything to the campaign. Quit with the jokes and the remarks about how cute and quaint she is. Stop with the pats on the back and the hurr hurr stuff.

The experience debate disappears now, let it disappear. It seems many Dems feel a vindictive need to bring up the experience issue after it's been applied to Obama so many times. Don't. Experience is a non-issue, she won in Alaska by being the inexperienced, outside candidate, and the Rs will, and already have, argued that she has more "executive experience" than Obama anyways. This is an opportunity to take the experience issue off the table, lets take it.

Our job is to remember and remind everyone else that it is John McCain running for President and not Sarah Palin. This means dropping the "old and dying" stuff. The jokes and comments that McCain's VP might become president in the next 4 years. We don't want people thinking about Sarah as the President.

I say this because I believe Sarah could win if she were the one running for President. Sure she's from a small town in Alaska and has only been the Governor for 2 years, but it doesn't matter; she is as of today on the national stage. McCain's campaign will do its best to lead with the pretty, energetic woman and let you forget that he's the one that would sit in the big chair. People will like her, and she will be a name in the Republican party for quite a while now.

I've watched the blogs, discussions, and tv reports all day, and while national dems have regaled themselves in last night's speech from obama, and laughed about Sarah, and while the media has had its field day, I've relived the emotion of having Sarah shark us 2 years ago, and felt dread.

We are, as of today, 30 points down, and we're going to need to work hard to make this the victory it should be.

I hope to be proven wrong. I hope she ends up being a horrible pick, but my gut feeling is it won't be that easy, it never is when you're dealing with Alaskan politicians.

...but it's still a little pond. A shark? Maybe a piranha. I'm sure she has teeth; she'd have to in order to rise as quickly as she has, but let's not mistake her meteoric rise with Obama's. Palin might have a few daggers up her sleeve, but Obama's a kung fu master -- and Biden's a salty old Washington warrior. She's toast.

I heard it from a talking head.

We are n being warned bysomeone who knows..LISTEN! DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE "FAILEN ( love that name)
I live inMaine. I discerned the same instinctively. MAine politics and Alaska politics have a lot in common..........Is it brain freeze from the cold weather?

Lol, goons are everywhere

been able to infer some things about Mrs Palin and I've tried to put bits and pieces of information ogether to see if two and two would make four, and then I get online here and see your post.
Yes, I surmised this woman is dangerous and the campaign may not realize it, so I promise to get your post along with my conclusions and suggestions up to the proper VIP by Monday latest.

I have to take care of something right now but I'll try to come back here soon to document how and why I think we have a nest of evildoers -- Karl Rove, McCain, etc. -- and they are attempting to pull off the scam of the century. A scam that just might work.

Meantime, anything else you know for sure about her, please add it in this thread. Even stuff that seems insignificant because that just might be the missing piece we need.

Thank you, thank you !!!!!!

and I woke up to having emails full of warnings about her. she is EXTREMELY competitive and her extremism makes some of the things we've seen during other regimes look middle of the road-ish.

she is actually well suited to McCain in some ways, and they will work hard to maintain the status quo.

she is Patriarchal Barbie. they LOVE her. She will do their evil work under the guise of her beauty queen disguise.

We must prepare and work EVEN harder to make sure they do not come anywhere near the WH.

We must not underestimate her.

Yes, she is unqualified and stupid -- but when did that ever stop some of the worst dictators? In fact, stupidity is sort of required in order to think you're entitled to be the sole dictator. She is Bush with Breasts. Dumb, Driven, Extremist and not called the Baracuda for nothing.

Keep her OUT!

:wtf:

a "nobody" "lightweight" "frat boy"...

...and look where that's got us...

he DOES have a point...

only - the gop IS on track to repeat ALMOST EXACTLY their "w" campaign...

should frighten just about anyone

..this is such an insult ...

well said!

Perfect words! You couldn't have done it better.

Recommended. Will you be sending this to Palin? I certainly hope so - she needs to see that it's going to take more than just "any woman" to do the job. She's not fit to shine Hillary Clinton's shoes.

:rofl:

Well played, sir. :hug:

I spoke to my best friend last night about the election for the 1st time since Feb. We've had a moritorium on Obama/Clinton discussions because we'd both get past annoyed at each other for our different stances - she's a loyal no-back-down Hillary supporter who absolutely LOVES her. I was pissed at Hillary and moved to Obama after SC. We couldn't discuss it at all without jeopardizing our friendship. Last night, we got on the phone and together we fumed about this presumptuous ex-beauty queen twit who has the arrogance to say she'll finish Hillary's job of breaking the glass ceiling. HOW DARE SHE. We are now in total harmony over this.

My 85-year-old aunt, who didn't like Hillary, had a fit yesterday over this woman. Who does she think she is?! she said. Hillary worked hard and earned her 18 million votes - and cracks - and this nothing waltzes in on McCain's invitation and thinks SHE'S going to accomplish what Hillary just missed doing? Fucking outrageous! (the 'f' word is mine :) )

Yes, we are all COMPLETELY united now! I mirror Debbie Wasserman-Schult'z outrage - to the last word. I'm definitely insulted, and I didn't even vote for Hillary. Whatever I didn't like about the way she ran her campaign, she and Bill Clinton are OURS, and no matter what, she worked hard to earn those 18 million votes... it incensed me when she compared herself to her and I'll not forgive her. No breaks from me. Not now, not EVER.

Twit.

McCane didn't choose that would have been more entertaining: Joe "Quisling" Liebermann, Lindsey "Dancing Queen" Graham, Idi Amin, Ted Stevens, Heinrich Himmler, Larry "Wide Stance" Craig, The banjo Kid from "Deliverance," Arthur Bremmer, Charles Manson, Stuttering John Melendez, a Liberace impersonator.....

epoxying every one of those 18 million cracks in that glass ceiling.

I would have liked to have voted for a woman, but there were other candidates I felt closer to on the issues than Hillary.
Had she won, she would have had my vote, as would any other Dem. Nothing to do with gender.

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get that they think I'd vote for an unqualified far-right Repug just because we both lack a Y chromosome.
:grr:

So if Clinton was so good why wasn`t she picked?

Wow!

Just wow!

and I appreciate it. :hug:

You nailed it!

Recommended.

you have taken the words out of my mouth.

As a woman, Palin insults me in a deep and personal way as really nothing else could have!

The thought that those who supported Hillary Clinton as their first choice would vote for McCain just because he chose a woman for VP, as they're speculating on the news, is just ludicrous. I obviously haven't read all the posts on this thread, but this has to be the prevailing sentiment. They're speaking about this possibility, just this minute, on MSNBC, idiots. Sarah Palin has to be the "anti-Hillary," has absolutely nothing in common with her except for gender, and to imagine that women would vote for McCain just because he chose Palin is just as insulting and narrow-minded as it would be to assume that the American electorate would choose a candidate based on race.:eyes:

I agree that John McCain has sealed his fate with this decision. Even the most bitter Hillary supporter has to realize that this isn't a team whom they could support, since they are the polar opposites of Senator Clinton on both issues and beliefs. It also undermines McCain's main criticism of Obama, that he doesn't have enough "experience." The thought that this self-proclaimed "hockey mom" is just a heartbeat away from becoming The Leader of the Free World, and that John McCain isn't all that healthy to begin with, scares me to death, and should scare all Americans. I think that this misguided choice proves that John McCain's mind has also gone clear off the rails, to use your train metaphor.:crazy:

But it should work to our advantage, as you said, since the choices are now crystal clear, as if they weren't before...:hi:

When you go psychotic like this all you do is sound like a conservative bashing Obama. You undercut your argument.

but he seems to be hangin in there.

back to your mommy's basement bedroom...

:thumbsup:

It's great this potential pitfall Palin presents can be turned to an obvious unification. To have John (c-word) McCain pick her in more than pandering, but an insult to the intelligence of the Hillary Clinton supporters. To just think of that bitter old man thinking "the c-words will vote for her just for being a c-word" is both a testament to his sexism vs. a counter to it. And it shows how just plain stupid he and his campaign are to think less of the wiser party (Democrats). This choice could haunt them.

If formal impeachment charges are rolled out against Palin, she could actually withdraw. That could be the first time in history, if not mistaken, a VP choice withdraws. If not she'd pull them down and we'd have an Obama landslide. If she does, I find it hard to see him recover regardless. Can't remember how many houses he has, forgot he was still married to his first wife when he filed for a marriage license with his mistress, and can't even pick the right running mate. And you want HIM to run the country?