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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:53 PM
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ABC News: McCain wanted Lieberman - went with Palin because she would "shake up the system"
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 02:53 PM by sabra
:crazy:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/how-palin-came.html

ABC's Jan Crawford Greenburg reports: It wasn't until Sunday night that John McCain, after meeting with his four top advisers, finally decided he could not tap independent Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut to be his running mate. One adviser, tasked with taking the temperature of the conservative base, had strongly made the case to McCain that it would be a disaster for the party and that the base would revolt. McCain concluded he could not go that route.

The next day, McCain studied the three men at the top of his shortlist: Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge. All had different strengths and negatives, but McCain was not satisfied. None of them had what McCain believed he needed to do -- and would have done -- with Lieberman.

...

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's name was in the mix as an unconventional choice for months, but she had not been considered a front-runner. So, over the next few days, with McCain continuing to believe he needed someone who had more of a maverick streak than his other choices, lawyers reviewed her vetting information. They kept their activities from even some in McCain's most senior inner circle.

Pawlenty had been the youthful pick advisers believed would represent a fresh direction -- and one they could use to argue the Republican VP pick was more experienced than the Democratic presidential nominee. But Pawlenty's flaw -- what cost him the VP -- was that he would not have stirred things up. He was safe, and McCain was not inclined to take the safe route.

The campaign secretly flew Palin into Dayton last night. She and McCain met privately for a couple of hours. McCain concluded she would "shake up the system" and was "a maverick," qualities he believed Lieberman would have brought to the ticket. But she also would appeal to conservatives -- which Lieberman most certainly would not have done.

After their meeting, McCain concluded he was comfortable with his choice. He notified Pawlenty this morning that he was going in a different direction.

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:55 PM
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1. HAHAHAHAHAHA!
:rofl:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:05 PM
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17. poor joe. sitting shiva on his dreams. sniffle.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:35 PM
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30. Looks like McCain made an impulsive, 'seat of the pants' pick. Scary in a Commander-in-Chief!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:55 PM
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2. If he didn't have enough confidence in her to be first choice then why would any voters
have confidence in her?
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:55 PM
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3. I think conservatives should be upset that he didn't pick Lieberman just to pander to them.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:56 PM
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4. Those final two choices say alot about what a putz he is.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:56 PM
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5. He shit a brick
when he saw the DNC attended by 85k. I had a gut feeling that this was a last minute job. He just wants to get elected and the crazy fundies and big oil will love the empty dress beauty queen.

It's lil bush and cheney in reverse. Guess he figured it worked for the awol/cokeheard should work him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:02 PM
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13. Yeah, to me she kinda goes along
with that whole marrying cindy at 42 thing...like it's cindy redux.

But, will she own the Failure of the last 8 years is what I want to know?
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:12 PM
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28. Yep... Obama's speech made him crap his depends.
Makes me wonder what will happen in the debate when Obama gets the best of him.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:57 PM
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6. omg he chose with his dick
You gotta be kidding me
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:04 PM
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16. That was my first reaction
after reading that he was sceptical about her qualifications, then picked her after a 2 hour private mtg.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:09 PM
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25. yup
he got in a room with her and suddenly his concerns melted away, as the blood drained from his brain.
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:18 PM
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29. heh
my mind went straight there too
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:57 PM
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7. "not inclined to take the safe route"
well there's a great quality for a Commander in Chief.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:06 PM
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20. McCain is a high stakes gambler.
Personally, that;s fine as long as he is gambling with his own (or Cindy's) money and not with the future of this country.

He's dangerous.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:42 PM
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31. McCain has spent 14-hour stints in Vegas playing craps, losing thousands of dollars.
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:44 PM by flpoljunkie
John McCain's Gambling Problem -- and Ours?

Posted July 7, 2008

The surprising Time magazine piece this week about the gambling habits of John McCain (craps) and Barack Obama (poker) continues to reverberate, with McCain's much more avid and cash-expending pursuit drawing most of the attention.

A diarist at DailyKos is even probing whether McCain has ever filed the proper federal tax forms for gambling profits and losses. And Noam Schieber comments today at the New Republic's The Stump blog on McCain's visits to the crap tables in Vegas: "A few thousand dollars at a time? Wow. That's more than borderline unseemly, I'd say -- easily several hundred thousand dollars over a period of 5-10 years if McCain plays regularly. It's certainly a far cry from the $1-ante games Obama played in Springfield."

The Michael Scherer and Michael Weisskopf article at Time contrasted McCain's high-stakes and risk-taking gambling with Obama's cautious, cerebral brand, practically inviting readers to consider how this might play out when one of them is in the Oval Office. "He clearly knows that this is on the borderline of what is acceptable for him to be doing," says a Republican who has watched McCain play. "And he just sort of revels in it."

You may have read the Time piece already so here is an excerpt from an earlier Connie Bruck piece in The New Yorker, May 30, 2005:

The moment the car stopped at McCain's hotel in downtown New Orleans, he set out at his usual fast clip for Harrah's, across the street. McCain is an avid gambler. Wes Gullett, a close friend who worked for McCain for years, told me that they used to play craps in Las Vegas in fourteen-hour stints, standing at the tables from 10 a.m. to midnight. "Craps is addictive," McCain remarked, and he headed for the fifteen-dollar-minimum-bet tables. At the most obvious level, the game is incredibly simple -- players rotate turns throwing the dice, and you either win or lose depending on what number comes up. But McCain's betting formula makes it much more complicated. "Uh-oh!" he cried, as a player accidentally threw the dice off the table. "This is a very, very superstitious game," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/john-mccains-gambling-pro_b_111203.html
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:52 PM
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32. Thanks for the article and link
I have a folder of McCain ammo and I will add this.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:59 PM
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8. "A COUPLE OF HOURS" ???WTF
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:00 PM by riverwalker
McCain only meets with her for a couple of hours, then picks he as VP?
on edit: I've spent more time deciding on which car to buy. This should be a campaign commercial.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:02 PM
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11. looks like Pawlenty was the pick and he flipped last second to Palin...
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:08 PM
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24. Talk about lack of judgement
So, will he spend just as much quality time on his other major presidential decisions?
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 02:59 PM
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9. He really is crazy isn't he.
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 03:01 PM by speedoo
That's his first presidential decision.

There is now no doubt in my mind he would be a fucking disaster in the WH.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:02 PM
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12. He is a lousy craps player and it shows
He is also known as a big loser on craps


this is a buy bet and going the hard way which is normally a bad bet



You don't play craps with our nation's future and he just did.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:01 PM
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10. She'll be shaking something
but it won't be the system.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:03 PM
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14. Pawlenty has got to be royally pissed......
Let's see if he can play the good soldier at the convention in his state.

I bet he's humiliated.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:04 PM
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15. In other words,
he put very little thought into his selection.
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Errrica Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:05 PM
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18. I can't wait for
Biden to rip her a new asshole in the debates. She's going down!
Also, she's younger than Obama!
MCCAIN IS A FUCKING HYPOCRITE. Seriously.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:05 PM
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19. Please tell me this isn't true. Doesn't say much for McCain's decision making, does it?
If he truly wanted Lieberman, he should have chosen Lieberman, consequences be damned. Does this mean that he's going to fold any time he's put under pressure?
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:06 PM
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21. kind of aligns with the report that Rove warned McCain not to pick Lieberman this weekend
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Basement Beat Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:09 PM
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26. This sounds very damning to me.
That means he simply cannot be president then.
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:07 PM
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22. After pissing all over himself for months complaining about Obama's lack of experience
Gramps decides it more important to "shake up the system" than worry about our security.

Way to go gramps! You reinforced every notion that you're nothing but a typical repuke power-seeking opportunist without one iota of concern for this country or it's people.
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:08 PM
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23. "Hey honey, I'm only picking you 'cause you'll shake things up."
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:09 PM
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27. Joe did all that ass licking for nothing n/t
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