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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:29 PM
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Boxer's statement on Palin - Thanks Barbara
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/mccain-vice-president/


The Vice President is a heartbeat away from becoming President, so to choose someone with not one hour’s worth of experience on national issues is a dangerous choice.

If John McCain thought that choosing Sarah Palin would attract Hillary Clinton voters, he is badly mistaken. The only similarity between her and Hillary Clinton is that they are both women. On the issues, they could not be further apart.

Senator McCain had so many other options if he wanted to put a women on his ticket, such as Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison or Senator Olympia Snowe – they would have been an appropriate choice compared to this dangerous choice. In addition, Sarah Palin is under investigation by the Alaska state legislature which makes this more incomprehensible.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:29 PM
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1. Boxer kicks so much ass, it's ridiculous.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:30 PM
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2. Love it! n/t
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:31 PM
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3. She makes me proud to be from CA!
Fuck yeah!
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:35 AM
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51. I wish Pelosi would take a few lessons from Boxer
California dems rock!:kick: :kick:
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:49 AM
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52. She does....Pelosi gets a bum rap from too many "democrats"
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:31 PM
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4. K & R
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:32 PM
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5. Boxer is my hero!
:D
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:24 PM
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53. Very telling if McCain says "She's got as much experience as Obama"
No national scene experience. But has not demonstrated any good judgment and judgment trumps experience. What good is 39 yrs of being wrong...that is not experience...that's a reputation
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George II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:12 AM
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84. Pawlenty was on Meet the Press this morning saying exactly that! They're delusional....
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:32 PM
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6. That and Palin plays the flute
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LongDistanceRunner Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:33 PM
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9. Maybe she struck up a tune on John's flute. We know he has a wandering eye.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:43 PM
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15. She was playing "Johny B. Good" while Cindy was ....
Trying out for Ms. Buffalo Chip

Sorry for the visual
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djp2 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:42 PM
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61. Did you see him look...
at her ass just before she spoke at the announcement?? Take a look again, he really checks her out!! I immediately saw that in the Olbermann's Friday "Countdown" replay, and had to go back and see it it really happened...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:14 AM
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36. Um, what's wrong with flute players?
I don't get it.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:23 AM
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40. Think floutists, ala Monica Lewinsky...
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:15 AM
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49. Um, I played flute in band in high school.
If you're calling flute players oral sex masters, well, I'd probably have to agree. ;)
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:14 PM
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65. Well, that's not exactly what I was saying.
And, while I appreciate your candor, I'm now trying to pry this kinky, yarn-based fantasy out of my noggin (is that Eric Dolphy I hear in the background?)

:spank:




:evilgrin:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:07 PM
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78. Does it involve rolling around naked in cashmere yarn?
Common knitter fantasy, btw. We often talk of it. :D
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:44 PM
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81. That would be the one!
Now, how do I get rid of it??
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:09 PM
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82. Good chocolate.
And knitting.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:39 PM
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70. Well, I used to play the flute, too, and this discussion brings up ...
... the fact that Condi Rice plays, ahem, an instrument, too! The official story is that it's the piano! :)

So I guess this means that you and I are good candidates for public office, eh?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:08 PM
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79. If not actually running for public office, then the power behind the man.
So to speak. ;)
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:27 PM
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69. um... I have a flute
waiting for a player....:hi:
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 07:08 PM
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80. Sorry. Already have one to play.
Not a piccolo, either. ;)
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:26 AM
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41. And this one time, at band camp...
Somebody had to do it.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:52 PM
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76. Yea!!
:woohoo:
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:32 PM
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7. Succinct and to the point
k/r
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:33 PM
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8. Bless you Barbara!!
Someone in the public eye needed to say this.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:34 PM
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10. I love the kick in the ass at the end !!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:39 PM
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11. Whoa Barbara! You ROCK! nt
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:39 PM
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12. I think it is an insult to HILLARY that picking this women could
help mcinsane get her votes.AS IF
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wandathewitch Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:26 PM
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68. I think the opposite
I was thinking it was a ompliment for Hillary. If they know how popular and intellegent and on and on that she is, they are running scared and trying to compete ...as old men do. It would be laughable if it wasn't such a grave situation. Who would not see this ????
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:42 PM
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13. This is the Democratic woman who should have been the first President
of the United States. In all the years she has been my senator, she has never disappointed.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:44 PM
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16. Seconded
She puts many of our senators to shame male and female alike.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 08:01 PM
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27. Third!
She definitely should be (or should have been) our 1st female prez.
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:14 AM
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39. She still can be.
Let's wait until we see the results of the election before we print up the bumper stickers. Boxer '16 would be my preference, given Obama wins this year and in '12.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:06 AM
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48. Well check out Boxer's age...
she's 68...time is a hell of a thing counted in 4 year and 8 year blocks...76 in '12.
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mile18blister Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:46 PM
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62. She was thinking of retiring in 2004
But stayed on to fight on.

It's hard to believe she's 68 - she looks, talks, and acts at least 20 yrs younger IMO.

Makes me proud to live in the Golden State.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:43 PM
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14. This woman just rocks my world
I would have thrown Joe under the bus in a second had Obama chosen her.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:20 PM
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20. me too
nt
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:44 PM
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17. it's the kind of thing I was waiting to hear
So far everyone else has seen fit to tread very carefully. Understandable but I think Boxer really nailed it, especially with the tribute to other Republican women. That might just put the cat among the pigeons. McCain goes for the younger model..again.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:22 PM
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32. It was almost too good to
be true! Classic roundup!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:46 PM
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18. THIS IS WHAT OBAMA NEEDS. A few fighters to sacrifice "image" and take her down before
the Repuke have time to build her up. The nominees can't do that rashly. Others can.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:50 PM
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19. Boxer rocks!
When I think of my good fortune in having Boxer as my Senator, it almost makes enduring the duplicitous DiFi a little more bearable.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:23 PM
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33. Didn't see her around at the Convention on
any of the four nights.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:23 PM
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57. There was a tribute given by what appeared to be the Women's Caucus
one of the nights of the convention and the stage was filled with Dem. women from both the House and Senate, with presentations given by several of them. I was busy reading threads here and only paid casual attention to it at the time, so I'd have to go through my tape and check out the shots to see if I could determine if she was there... But in any event, the stage was full with Democratic women in Congress.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:46 PM
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72. That's right..I saw part of that but was
starving and fixing my supper as it happened and didn't really see every last one of them.. She should have been in that group for sure.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:23 PM
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21. thank you, Barbara!
Thank God a pol from CA who stands up for what is right for a change (hear that, Pelosi??).
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Dem_4_Life Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:26 PM
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22. AMEN! Thank you Barbara!!!
:kick: :yourock:
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:26 PM
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23. That MY Senator, ya'll.




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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:27 PM
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24. Perfect!
:)
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:29 PM
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25. The choice of Palin was an insult
to all the Republican women who are actually qualified for the position of Vice President of the United States.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 04:31 PM
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26. Thank you Ms Boxer
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:17 PM
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28. that's my Senator
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:18 PM
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29. kick
bump
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hasssan1 Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:18 PM
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30. WELL DONE SENATOR , WELL DONE , A+++++++++++
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 10:19 PM
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31. YAY, Barbara Boxer...getting Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Olympia
Snowe's name out there..GOLD! She was so wonderful at THE Convention!
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 11:24 PM
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34. Snowe? Hutchinson?
Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 11:25 PM by D__S
Neither are wise choices either.

Hutchinsons Texas is right next door to McCains Arizona. Voters expect some regional disparity.

Suggesting Snowe is just plain idiotic.

She's probably as or more Liberal than some Democrats... Conservatives despise her.

McCain needed someone to bring the Evangelicals back to the voting booth... he might very well succeed in that with Palin.

If John McCain thought that choosing Sarah Palin would attract Hillary Clinton voters, he is badly mistaken.


Partially correct. Palin won't attract Democratic Hillary Clinton voters. Independent/unenrolled Clinton supporters are another matter.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:00 AM
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35. Boxer is not in the business of advising McCain. she is pointing to the glaring
problems with Palin. And she is justly pointing that choosing Palin and her non existent record in basically everything is an insult to those qualified women the Democratic Party has.

As for Independent Clinton's supporters, as soon as they will see Palin' record and positions on issues, they will run away from her.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:34 AM
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44. Whatever happened to "maverick" Christy Todd Whitman? Stood up to Bush and then... psssft...
I think she would have been any interesting choice...
But then again...

I don't think McDim likes strong women...not really. Beauty queens much more his style.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:41 PM
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60. I thought the exact same thing except being from PA
and knowing her past history, I realized that she would be equivalent to a Romney on the ticket in terms of having big $$$. Plus she is inextricably tied to the usual repuke tactic of racial-profiling (which she participated in herself as Governor of NJ), and that alone would torpedo the choice... Although when absolutely desperate, the repukes will break out the race card as part of a "law and order" agenda, without question. As it is, given her and her husband's finances, they have been under on and off investigations for his investment firm.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:43 PM
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75. That's right. Forgot about her $ probe. No scandal-free repubs, huh? Darn! (sarcasm)...
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:17 AM
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37. i love how boxer can destroy her without being sexist. such class!
go boxer!
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:07 AM
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38. To Repugs, Sarah Palin's being under investigation is a big plus.
It shows she's one of them.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:31 AM
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42. THank you Barabara!!!!!
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jcla Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:32 AM
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43. Boxer also pointed out that Palin is diametrically opposed to
all of Hillary's stands on women's rights, health care, voting rights et cetera and if the Rethugs think this will draw in women who supported Senator Clinton they are mistaken. Go Barbara!
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:35 AM
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45. Thank you, Patriot!
http://web.archive.org/web/20050204063536/http://thankyoupatriot.com/
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:35 AM
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46. Yeehaw!!! CA's ONLY Democratic senator!!!!!
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 10:36 AM by kestrel91316
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:43 AM
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47. Has Clinton come out with a similar statement yet?
Right during the convention would be a good time. Right before Palin's speech. Send em scrambling.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:22 PM
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66. Sorta ... she said McCain/Palin would take us the wrong direction ...
... but welcomed Palin's voice to the debate.

So, a wishy-washy statement at best. :shrug: I'm sure its around here somewhere.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:24 AM
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50. I just love Barbara Boxer!
That is all.
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unapatriciated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 12:28 PM
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54. I gave the very same answer last night...
A customer asked if i was happy that McCain chose a woman.
I think he assumed ( I'm a middle aged white woman) I voted for Senator Clinton.
My response was "the only thing we have in common is that we are both women".
His reply was "That's harsh".
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:02 PM
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55. Thank you, Barbara Boxer!
Somebody had to have the nerve to state the obvious, and good for you for being the one. :thumbsup:
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:06 PM
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56. K&R The women of the Democratic party will bury this bimbo. n/t
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:31 PM
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58. Right on, Barbara!
"The only similarity between her and Hillary Clinton is that they are both women. On the issues, they could not be further apart."

I refuse to believe that a progressive woman would even *consider* voting for McCain/Palin. I've read where this woman stands on the issues, and it's SCARY. She's a hard-core right-wing lunatic.
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27inCali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:40 PM
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59. that's MY Senator!
Thanks Babs, we can always count on you!
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 01:52 PM
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63. You made the point very briefly, Barbara. It's totally scary
that Sarah Palin could very possibly become Chief Executive.

I can't believe McSame picked her out of other good choices.

Seems to me that senility is setting in. :evilfrown:
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:02 PM
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64. Good for her
That is the kind of statement I expected from Hillary Clinton - strong, forthright, hitting the issues that make this choice a clear and present danger for our country.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:26 PM
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67. Ladies and gentlemen, my Senator.
And let me tell you, we here in California sure do love her!!!! :loveya:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:44 PM
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71. Outstanding. I like that we are back to the McCain ticket being a "dangerous" choice. n/t
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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 02:56 PM
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73. good point, Barbara
and why wasn't this an effective argument when a Texas governor was running for president? Why did his lack of experience with national issues not deter nearly half of the country from voting for him?

oh, yeah. right. Thank you, Mr. /Ms. Media.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 03:05 PM
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74. I love Barbara Boxer, but I don't understand her comment about national experience.
How many hours of experience on national issues did Jimmy Carter have before he was elected? Or Ronald Reagan? Or Bill Clinton? Or Dubya?

Just sayin'.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 04:24 PM
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77. All had been governor for more than one term, including Dubya and therefore had more chances
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 04:25 PM by Mass
to have been in contact with other states problems. Clinton had been NGA chair. Dubya had worked in the White House (I know how little he did, but on paper, it sure looked better), Reagan had been governor of California, and had probably been talking to other states and countries concerning trade issues. I do not know enough about Carter, but we are talking here about somebody who has been governor of a very special state for one year and a half and before that mayor of a 9000 people town. How does that qualify her on anything close to governing the country?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:06 AM
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85. Thanks, Mass. I agree with what you say-to a degree-but I think it's an "iffy" argument
that we should stay away from.

IMO, we should focus on specific items that she has done or has not done and lay off the inexperience issue.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:10 PM
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83. Take that, PAL... in....
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:10 AM
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86. This annoying-voiced PTA marm is a joke as VP choice
:eyes:
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