What Obama did last night was MAKE history. What McSame has done today is REPEAT history.

MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 04:55 PM
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What Obama did last night was MAKE history. What McSame has done today is REPEAT history.

Quayle anyone? Spiro?

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Wetzelbill

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Fri Aug-29-08 04:56 PM
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1. And shamelessly too

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phantom power

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Fri Aug-29-08 04:56 PM
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2. What McCain did was neutralize Obama's history-making speech.

Actually, it's probably more like partially neutralize it. But it was a pretty good play.

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Wetzelbill

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:00 PM
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3. 38 million viewers watched his speech

McCain dumped it out in the morning and on a Friday. And for most people, Obama was almost life-alteringly good. Most reactions I've seen suggest that Palin is mostly a head scratcher. Plus her novelty will wear off. Obama is the head of the ticket, he still has the debates to shine in etc. They only get one shot to introduce her and it's mixed at best.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:03 PM
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4. Agree. Most people were at work all day, just catching up with the news.

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phantom power

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:42 PM
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7. I agree, McCain played his VP card, and he can't play it twice.

It's annoying, but he probably managed to do the maximum possible damage with it. Obama's acceptance speech was probably the single highest-profile speech he'll make (unless it's his acceptance speech for President). Furthermore, it was a real barn-burner. For the people who actually saw it, Obama wins.

But there's that large second-tier of people who are influenced by what the MSM talking heads say the day after, and McCain managed to suck a bunch of oxygen from that.

Obama should be able to overcome that bump in the road easily, but I have to admire (grudgingly) how well McCain's play worked. It was a play of desperation, but darn if he didn't make the most of it.

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bulloney

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:52 PM
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9. Without the C-span and Public TV numbers, Obama's speech outdrew American Idol

and Olympic opening ceremony.

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Wetzelbill

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:01 PM
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16. holy shit, I didn't know that

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lumpy

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:11 PM
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5. The VP pick has been timed to take scrutiny off of McCain. Palin

will be the center of attention for some time. All I know is that Palin is the GOP's Alaskan Queen of Mean.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:55 PM
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10. All I need to know is that McSame is 72....and she don't know nothing about Michigan.

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AuntPatsy

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:12 PM
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6. Very true, we have already had a female run for vp, hate how they are saying its historic..sure

Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 05:12 PM by AuntPatsy

the only historic thing about all of this concerning the repubs candidates is how bad this duo are..

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:58 PM
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13. Hillary Clinton is not the only female to have challenged the glass ceiling. And yes...

its entirely possible that a female candidate for VP would not be to my liking. BUT---McSame is not just any candidate for President. He is old, he is outdated and most importantly, he is compromised. His VP pick proves that.

What I find laughable is the suggestion that she is a feminist. THAT is ridiculous.

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eshfemme

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:45 PM
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8. That's what I find so funny. McCain is always playing catch up to a man

with ideas that are both so fresh and commonsensical that when suggested or implemented, you can't help but think "Why didn't I think of that?" or "Why hasn't anyone thought of that?" It just makes McCain seem like a cheap knockoff. The only reason he's viable is that he had a longer brand name history and is more familiar with the older folks so his supposedly "history-making" moves that are a shadow of Obama's seem so revolutionary to his base.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:00 PM
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14. What has caught the republicans flat footed is the intensity of the anger Americans feel.

And since they don;t think we count for shit anyway...they can't figure out what to do with it except lie about Obama.

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eshfemme

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:20 PM
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18. Yes, Obama has created a new sort of politics where you can go both on the offense AND defense

and do it just beautifully. Seriously, that was not just A game but A+

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:23 PM
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19. I don't think they are too surprised by McSame's VP pick. They knew it would be stupid.

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eshfemme

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:38 PM
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20. I think Obama was expecting more intelligence from McCain than this last minute ditch effort.

Edited on Fri Aug-29-08 06:50 PM by eshfemme

No matter what people think of Hillary, she was fucking gritty and tough. I guess he assumed that the general election would be tougher than the primaries in terms of intelligence. But now, it's just trying to make sure that the GOP's tactic of throwing everything at the wall and hoping it sticks doesn't actually stick in some stupid twist of idiocy.

Basically, Obama was expecting more from McCain than those panderrific pick.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:47 PM
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21. I used to argue that the primary race among the Dem's was the real election.

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eshfemme

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Fri Aug-29-08 07:10 PM
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22. Yeah, with how long it was-- EIGHTEEN MONTHS!-- 2 months of the general

just seems like an afterthought.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 07:16 PM
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23. Sure does. Today's news is just plain silly. A billion dollars for an election...

and one of the important participants was a mayor of a town of less than 10,000, a governor for less than 2 years and has a mere BA in Journalism.

Reminds me of the times I worked for a whacko boss. What a joke.

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eshfemme

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Fri Aug-29-08 09:47 PM
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25. I hope Hillary smacks them a good one. Picking Palin wasn't really a dig at Obama but 1 at her.

WTF is that, y'know? She needs to fucking school that bastard for trivializing the feminist movement.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 09:59 PM
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26. Agree. And that is one of the things, among so many, that bothers me about

this "pick".

Who the hell would ever accuse this woman of being a feminist? Feminism is all about choice for women--in anything.

No, no, no.....

I imagine there are some very select conference calls going out among the higher up's in the Dem. party and ohhhh...to be a fly on the wall.

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:55 PM
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11. Nice, your comparison got me thinking

Obama wants to rid washington of corruption, mccain thinks there isnt enough and needs to import it from Alaska.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:01 PM
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15. From the ranks of the PTA no less. :)

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JustAnotherGen

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Fri Aug-29-08 05:56 PM
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12. Don't forget

Ferraro. Granted she was far more qualified than THAT woman - but still -

We've already BTDT - bought the T-Shirts.

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MichiganVote

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Fri Aug-29-08 06:05 PM
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17. Actually I was equating McSame's choice to the other losers Repub.'s have chosen in the past

for VP. While G Ferraro is not exactly my cup of tea, at least I could expect her to run a government with more than a beauty pageant crown, a stint as a mayor of 9000 people and just over a year in an executive office of one state.

She says: "I didn't get into government to serve in a safe manner." That single statement tells me she is dangerously green.

No thanks.

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moriah

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Fri Aug-29-08 07:19 PM
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24. I was thinking more of Ellen Cullen McCormack.

A woman running on a pro-life platform and all.

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