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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:48 PM
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Sarah Palin may be more of a threat to Obama than Democrats are recognizing.
Great article! I encourage everyone to read it fully, lots of good insight. Here's some highlights:

With no foreign policy experience and a political resume that could fit on my pinky fingernail, Sarah Palin is an absurd choice for vice president. Yet it should come as no surprise to the public - especially to Democrats - that John McCain chose her anyway.

That's because the very issues that Democrats say make her a political risk -- her newness to the political world stage, her anti-choice stance, her opposition to gay marriage, her support of capital punishment, her disregard for the environment - matter very little in determining the outcome of elections. Voters - some of whom dissect policy issues daily, but most of whom don't - ultimately cast their ballots based on emotion. Not logic. Not knowledge of "the issues."

This was supposed to have been the big take-away lesson of 2004. That debate, perhaps more so than any other since the first televised presidential showdown between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon, showed that appearance, charisma, personality and likeability matter. Smarts are mostly a bonus and a distant second.


Simply put, people don't always vote for the candidate or the policy that serves their own best interests. That concept should be no more surprising in politics than in other parts of people's lives. If individuals always did what was best for them, they would consistently choose broccoli over cake; they would enter into relationships with the good guy (or gal) instead of the charming jerk who never calls; they would stick to purchasing necessities and use credit cards as a last resort -- only when there's not enough money at the end of the month to pay for groceries or utility bills.

But we all know people who eat more sweets than they should, date charismatic yet inconsiderate cretins, and shop on impulse. Those behaviors might be unhealthy, but they sure can feel good at the time. That's the campaign strategy Republicans have perfected: manipulating our senses and emotions to make us act in ways that we'll later regret.


Clinton supporters do not have to cross over and vote for Palin for her to be effective on the Republican ticket. With such a close race between McCain and Obama, Palin may need only to motivate conservative women or independents who weren't sold on McCain or persuade those who hadn't planned on voting to show up at the polls.

And Palin is likely to use every emotional ploy possible to bring in more female voters. She's already co-opting Hillary Clinton's remarks on having 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling - a ceiling that Palin says women can still shatter "once and for all."


Already a flurry of conservative and independent women have been rallying behind Palin. Policy aside, on a personal level, she represents work-life balance - something that resonates with women of all political affiliations. She's also popular among blue-collar voters, the Republican party base and Evangelicals, particularly because of her staunch position against abortion. She, like McCain, favors overturning Roe v. Wade.

And if Democrats aren't careful, that could easily become their Achilles heel this year. Elections are about emotion, and if there's any topic that's sure to stir emotion, it's abortion.


Democrats are only too eager to argue that this election will be different from the last two, that people have finally had enough of the Bush brand of conservatism. I hope they're right. But Democrats need to be realistic about the challenges they face with a Palin VP, because abortion is just one of them.

Having a woman on the GOP side will make it easy, perhaps tempting, for the media to resort to sexist attacks. Then feminists will be forced to walk a line, defending Palin against sexism without looking as though they're supporting an anti-choice candidate. Even women who didn't like Hillary Clinton recoiled at watching her become the target of media-driven sexism. Clinton polled the best when women perceived that she was being treated unfairly. Palin will likely be no different. Worse yet, if Palin gets bullied, McCain will swoop down and protect her, pretending to be women's biggest advocate when he is anything but. The public will see Palin being attacked and will watch as the Republican Party comes to her rescue.


I see a lot of posts claiming that McCain just threw the election with his choice. Nothing could be further from the truth.

We can NOT assume we have it in the bag. This will be a fight to the end. And we must start fighting now.

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:50 PM
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1. I disagree.
I think Palin is such a bad running mate that it won't matter.

Obama will win handily.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:52 PM
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4. So, since neither of you is psychic, why not hope for the best but plan for the worst?
:shrug:

NGU.



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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:53 PM
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6. That's usually the best plan, especially in politics.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:54 PM
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9. Complacency is deadly.
Of course she is a bad running mate.

Of course McCain is a lousy candidate.

So was G.W. Bush.

That didn't stop him from getting elected ... twice.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:55 PM
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13. "Getting elected" may be stretching it. More like "taking office."
NGU.



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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:02 PM
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27. Bingo! Anybody saying "it's in the bag" is ignorant of history -nt
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:17 PM
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64. b*s* stole office in 2000 - this is a fact - and probably stole in 2004.
NT!

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Tresalisa Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:04 PM
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32. We here at DU know that she's a horrible choice for a running mate.
However, I peek in on some fundie forums, and am mildly alarmed at some of the posts I'm seeing. Whereas before I was seeing posts from people who were absolutely not going to vote for McCain, no way, no how, since Mcain made Palin his VP choice, there are a lot of people who seem to be excited by the ticket now.

I'm not worried yet, because I think the Obama/Biden campaign are more than equipped to handle this, but there may be more of an effect on people than we think.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:08 PM
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40. Hey -- peek in on non-political related forums
My city has dozens of forums dedicated to city issues, local entertainment, culture, etc. The talk on these boards are damned frightening. So many seem to think this is just such a wonderful choice. It literally made me sick last night - and I went to bed early. I'm not kidding. I was just thinking how easily our people, uneducated on politics and governance, are toyed with. My mouth dried up reading all of that, I got a queasy stomach, took some pepto-bismol - and went to bed.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:21 PM
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48. I too am seeing a lot of excitement over it.
I think it's because they don't really know who she is yet - and that will be one of our top goals, to let the "low information voter" know just how horrible she is.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:00 PM
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55. The non-political sites are flooded with pro-Palin threads
It makes me wonder if posters here participate or view other sites. I keep coming back here to threads ridiculing the Palin selection. Then I click to another site, like a sports website, and they are celebrating the pick.
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phillysuse Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:24 PM
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50. I was phone banking in Philadelphia today - there
are women Democrats who are supporting McCain because of Palin.

It is going to be tough and close and McCain-Palin may win.

We all need to be working on this hard for the next 66 days.
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progressiveforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:36 PM
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69. Both of your points are well taken.
I think Palin will help us, but we have to fight like hell and never stop until the last polls close November 4.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:51 PM
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2. Volunteer and donate. NOW.
NGU.



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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:55 PM
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12. INDEED!
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:19 PM
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46. The Obama Campaign...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 09:38 PM by stillcool47
should have been dead and buried a long time ago. This woman is a bad choice for VP. It is not about her at all. It is about John McCain and more than ever it is about his temperament and his judgment. If this is about the media we lose. If this is about us and what 'we' can do 'we' win.

ooops replied to wrong post...
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:52 PM
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3. You are right- if Americans were logical, we wouldn't have Bush in two terms.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:54 PM
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8. That's the thing...we think too logically here on DU, the rest of America does not.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:54 PM
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11. i agree.
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 08:56 PM by sweets
she's going to get that fundie vote. all they think about is overturning roe v. wade and teaching creationism in the public schools. they don't care about experience.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:53 PM
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5. Agree....nothing turns out the way that one plans it unless one works very hard
to ensure it!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:54 PM
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10. Amen.
NGU.



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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:53 PM
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7. My mom thought McCain was in the election this cycle to try and make
someone's VP.. She thinks he's surprised he's the nominee. After telling her just a few items, she was appalled.. Of course she's in VT.. so no biggie there I guess.
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maseman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:55 PM
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14. This is exactly what has been bothering me
I have not been as worried about the Clinton women going to vote for the M/P ticket as much as I am worried about the same Fundies that got GW elected twice will come out in full force.

I will say this though. The Jesus Christers voted for Bush both times. I know from reading many reports that they are livid to many degrees that Bush did NOTHING for them. Yes he stacked the Supreme Court which is bad. But they don't look at it that way. No overturning Roe V Wade, no amendments banning gay marriage, no more creationism taught in schools now than 8 years ago. I've heard they are SO tired of being used. Will this work?
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:58 PM
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19. I don't know. We'll have to watch and see if McCain points that out, saying he's the one to
finally get things done.

I think they may be tired of waiting but haven't given up quite yet.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:55 PM
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15. I see shitloads of posts like this one telling us we're DOOOOOMED!
Just get out there and work.

Fucking ENOUGH.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:56 PM
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16. We're definitely not doomed. This post never says that.
Did you even read it before replying?

BUT...we can't assume we've already won, as many people here are doing.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:57 PM
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17. This one's telling me "we must start fighting now." Right there in pixelated black & white.
NGU.



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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:00 PM
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22. we can work our asses off.
maybe we'll change 1 mind. i've been working on someone since the primaries began. she will not give in. she's voting for McCain and believes sarah palin has more experience than obama.

yesterday in the grocery store i was quite vocal. i always talk to the woman who slices my cold cuts. she is an independent who supported hillary, but hates obama. there were quite a few people there. no one said a word in obama's defense. i'm sure they were all republicans. my husband was so embarrassed by my big mouth that he walked away.
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Franks Wild Years Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:03 PM
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29. Yep! And it doesn't take into account people who will be...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 09:04 PM by Franks Wild Years
...turned *off* by her selection. Look, Bush won in 2004 not because of the crazy christians but because he scared enough independent voters into opting for him (48% vs Kerry's 49%), and because he stole 11% of Democrats from Kerry. The kooks were ultimately going to turn out for the Republican overlords no matter who was on the ticket.

The real focus should be on moderate Repubs turned off by Bush and their party's antics over the last eight years.

And here's another really big fucking thing: Look at the differences in voter registration. Look at how many more Democrats there are than Republicans, and the gap is widening.

Furthermore, let's not forget how MIND-BLOWINGLY AWFUL McCain's internal polls must have looked for him to make this VP selection. Honestly, you don't gamble this heavily if you're running even with your opponent.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:58 PM
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18. I'm ready to go off the grid.
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 08:59 PM by cliffordu
McCain and the shill get in, I'm gone. We are all at risk.

125,000 Blackwater Mercenaries for the martial law that LEO doesn't want to enforce.

Right after they dump McCain in a ditch, they have the PERFECT fundie rubber stamp to turn this into a Religionist Gulag.

:tinfoilhat:
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 08:59 PM
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20. I'm out of this country.
I can't do it for another 4 years, just can't.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:00 PM
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23. Belize, Costa Rica -
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:04 PM
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Ooooh, Belize.
I need to find a place with health care for my aging parents (I'm an only child, so I'm taking care of them now). Of course, the US is practically the only country left without it, so my choices will be wide.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:05 PM
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35. I want to stay OFF the grid...I love the jungle.....
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 01:54 AM
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77. I've heard Panama's a popular expat destination these days
I've just started doing my research. Looking at Costa Rica too.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:00 PM
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21. Palin will give us the election.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:03 PM
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30. Hey - I love 'ya - but that attitude could COST US this election -nt
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:04 PM
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33. Exactly.
I hope those words are true but we won't know until the end and we can't take the chance that they aren't.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:01 PM
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24. Push economic issues, the kitchen table trumps the bedroom.
Why worry about the unborn, if there is no roof over the child's head when she is born, or if their is no health care, nor food. Push the kitchen table issues to counter the cultural issues.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:05 PM
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34. And let's talk oil prices. And the fact that hubby works for a foreign oil company...
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:09 PM
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42. For once,
I'd like to hear this at a debate. Usually the anti-choice candidate gets away with crying "murder", and the dem candidate hems and haws. Maybe this year...Biden is no shrinking violet.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:01 PM
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25. There are many who think her likable, and also don't know her as fundie.
At some level, we need to get the information out there of just what kind of woman's view.

I agree that in the secrecy of the vote, it will be satifying to vote for a woman, with some in states thinking it won't matter.

We have low information voters, voters who don't really care or know, those we have to pay attention. First is to debunk this hot shot reformer.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:06 PM
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36. Low information voters should be our target.
They are the ones that vote against their own best interests every time, as the article points out.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:01 PM
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26. We should not take this election for granted, run like your 10 points behind.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:06 PM
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37. Anything less and it's easily stolen. Again.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:03 PM
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28. I think it depends on the events that drive the emotional reactions
Bush won because of the American myth of being the gun slinger taking out the evil out laws. Despite his lack of intelligence, he portrayed the tough guy who could take on the rest of the world. He fed into a nationalistic image at a time when folks were down about it. McCain is trying to recapture some of that image. However, I think that Obama emotional appeal may be the better one this time around. I think that folks are looking for a confident leader who can bridge divides. In other words, I think Obama as JFK plays better than McCain as Reagan. If we play that appeal up, we'll win in the emotional electoral battle.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:07 PM
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39. Oh, there's definitely a way to create that emotional bond for Dems this time.
We just need to make sure it happens.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:04 PM
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31. Sometimes things are exactly as they seem: Palin is a bad VP choice for McCain.
There is no need to over-think things. We continue to work hard and not be complacent and Obama will be elected.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:09 PM
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41. The key is that we must "work hard" as you said.
I'm obviously not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying we can't get too assured of a victory. Some here are saying that Palin has given us the election, as if we no longer even need to work for it - and that's not correct.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:07 PM
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38. Bush became president.
Therefore, anything can happen. In fact, her inexperience is probably a plus as far as most people are concerned.

Do you guys remember how *awful* Bush was in the 2004 debates? I remember being overjoyed, thinking that NO ONE would vote for him after that. How tragically wrong I was.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:10 PM
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43. Exactly. How many times over the last eight years have you found yourself
simply stunned by the outcome of events? We simply can't take anything for granted.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:14 PM
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45. My reaction to this pick was one of deep depression.
It just seems so FAMILIAR somehow.... :cry:
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:20 PM
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47. Reassurance . . .

The only reason Dumbass got to be president is that the Gore campaign threw everything into a state that was completely controlled by his brother's political machine, and could therefore be easily and thoroughly manipulated. And even THEN, he had to be effectively appointed by a criminal, traitorous act by five unelected "jurists."

Don't be too worried. Don't be complacent, but don't be too worried.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:22 PM
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49. Don't let it get you down too long. Transfer that emotion and energy into working for Obama.
It's something to take seriously, but we can overcome this and we can take back the White House!
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:34 PM
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68. Bush had that religeous "folksy" mojo (gag)
McLame is no Bush. And Obama is no Kerry, and neither is his campaign or ground game. Another difference - Ohio isn't controlled by corrupt Repugs this year. Just saying . . . but I'm volunteering tomorrow and I'll give every penny I can squeeze out.
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DarthDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:11 PM
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44. As Freud Might Say

Sometimes a vacuous neophyte idiot is just a vacuous neophyte idiot. No one in the Obama campaign is redesigning their strategy based on this pick. They are letting it stand for what it is - - a shockingly irresponsible choice that says volumes about the judgment and temperament of JOHN MCCAIN.

I do understand pleas against complacency, but I see little danger of that. I don't think the meta-analysis is needed.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:29 PM
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51. I'm not scared
Seriously, she is a joke. Her policy positions are just like Bush's and she just doesn't have any leadership experience.

It is the republicans who are scared right now. That is the reason for this desperation play and it will more than likely be a disaster against a strong Democratic ticket. Unlike previous election cycles, the Democrats are finally connecting to the average voter on an emotional level at a national stage. The old tactics aren't going to work the same especially since the republicans have proven that their ideas are a failure.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:30 PM
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52. The Queen's Gambit (declined)
If anyone plays chess, I would recommend the strategy that I would phrase "The Queen's Gambit Declined". This is a fight to the finish. Let's not take the pawn now. Let's play for the win of the whole game instead!


Don't take the bait. Wait, wait, wait! Be patient! All in good time!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:36 PM
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53. "...appearance, charisma, personality and likeability matter."


His appearance is horrible.



He has no charisma.



Zero personality.



...and nobody likes him.



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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:08 PM
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58. Are you comparing the Hockey Mom with 20 months' experience to Obama?
Really?
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:17 PM
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63. EXACTLY...and the OP referenced Kennedy-Nixon...
well guess what our presidential debates are going to look like...heh...
the youthful, smooth, likeable Obama, against the angry, weathered McCain.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:07 AM
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79. LOL. Touche.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 09:45 PM
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54. Your lack of faith is disturbing
For every capricious vote Palin gets, there will be 2 undecided voters that break our way because they realize McCain's jugdment is shot.

And for once, have some confidence in Obama/Biden. Did you see Obama's awesome acceptance speech? Have you seen them on the stump driving out a hard, no-holds-barred populist platform?

We have a winning team and they have squat.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:12 PM
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60. My lack of faith??
You obviously didn't bother to read the OP before you replied.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:02 PM
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56. I think McCain is trying to still run against Hillary.
With or without her.

Using the Palin will slip through the 18 mil cracks comment in spite of Hillary's context. repukes are trying to start
a TV feud with Hillary's supporters.
Repukes needs the attacks on Palin to energize the fundies and morans.

And watch out for the false trails. We know how easily they can just make stuff up to keep us busy talking about just Palin.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:05 PM
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57. I think you're absolutely wrong... she's being rejected already, AND...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-08 10:07 PM by redqueen
a few highlights from her interview with Business Week:



Some people might say: "Look, even though opening up ANWR has been a symbolic issue for Republicans, the oil there may only have a marginal effect on reducing overseas dependence. Why is ANWR so important and how do we know that there's actually enough oil there to really make a difference?

Because just that swath of land in that refuge alone is estimated to hold about 11 billion barrels of oil and 9 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. And those are just the areas that have been explored. That's about a year and a half worth of U.S. oil consumption and many months of natural gas. It's about a trillion dollars worth of energy. And that's—again—just that sliver of ANWR. So when we hear, "Well, maybe there isn't enough," or "Well, it's too late to drill now anyway, we should have done this five, 10 years ago," hey, I can't argue that. I say yeah, we should have done that years ago. But better to start that drilling today than wait and continue relying on foreign sources of energy. We are a nation at war and in many the reasons for war are fights over energy sources, which is nonsensical when you consider that domestically we have the supplies ready to go.


Ready to go? Really?



The Republican Party has been beset by scandals during the Bush Administration—from former lobbyist Jack Abramoff to Alaska Senator Ted Stevens. And now Obama is not taking any campaign contributions from lobbyists. You came into office talking about clean government. How do Republicans match Obama on the anti-corruption issue?

Oh, he's very smart not to take any money from lobbyists. You know, what we have to do is really walk the walk and not just talk the talk. In my administration, lobbyists don't come into my office. And we even joked around about saying lobbyists need to wear a big L on their lapel so that everybody knows who they are, so if they're sitting there in the gallery as our lawmakers are taking votes, we know some of that influence may be sitting there in the background.

There needs to be awareness that lobbyists have great influence, sometimes not good influence, on votes and on policy making, and in order to walk the walk, what I have done is just make that personal choice to not engage with the lobbyists. If a firm or a community wants to talk to me about an issue, they need to figure out how to do that themselves. If a city comes to my office and they need a new high school built or they need a water plant repaired, their mayor, their city council, whomever, need to come talk to me. Convince me. Don't send a lobbyist. And again, going back to Obama, he's been smart in trying to prove that he will not be unduly influenced, but I also believe McCain, who has been such a maverick, recognizes that Americans are sick and tired of politics as usual and of the corruption and of the undue influence. And McCain is not going to put up with it, either.



Does she not READ? :rofl:




And sorry to those sick of the subject, but...

What will your role be at the upcoming convention?

I'm doing a pro-life speech. Four months ago, my fifth child was born with Down syndrome…so I value innocent life. It took many months for me to get my arms around the idea of, first, having a fifth child at my age, but also knowing that my child would have an extra chromosome. But I prayed the whole time, "God, just prepare me, prepare my heart and prepare my family." And talk about confirmation of that prayer, I mean, Trig is just—he is to me—absolutely perfect. And everybody's in love with him, and he's the sweetest little baby in the world.



http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2008/db20080829_272692_page_2.htm
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:14 PM
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61. I've been looking at blogs and op-eds, more at the local levels, and the results are the opposite.
They LOVE her.
Of course, they don't know her - yet. So it's our responsibility to educate the low information voters on just how disastrous she is.

All I'm saying is that we can't give up yet. Many are saying the election's already won. That's simply not true.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:19 PM
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65. Ah no... it's definitely not won...
I think the blogs & people who are happy about this are the type to just lockstep with the RNC on anything and everything. And I think a good deal of them are just saying what they know they're 'supposed' to say, while inside they're worried / furious / embarrassed.

I also think the number of people like that is dropping precipitously at the moment.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:10 PM
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59. We have to be careful because of the lies being thrown about on Obama's stand on abortion,
but I don't know if we can ignore it completely.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:15 PM
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62. It's not as dangerous as you think.
Obama was ready for this, and he and Biden have a strategy to win. He's already thrown light jabs at her that are devastating without being bullying. Their strategy involves getting out the vote...voter turnout is the key to this election.
The problem with Palin is beneath her veneer are seriously nutbag views that are to the right of Bush and Cheney. She doesn't support abortion in the case of rape or incest...this will anger many women once they find out about it. You want emotion? That'll stir up some emotion. Her views, while popular with fundies, are too far from the mainstream to be appealing...and they will come out.
She's already scandal-plagued...we don't even have to touch her, and we won't. Her own record damages herself.
Her lack of experience and the idea of her having to become president in a heartbeat won't resonate with a lot of voters...but it'll scare enough voters to hurt mccain.


In the end, I agree that we can't become complacent, but I would've said that if McCain picked Satan himself as his running mate. We have to fight tooth and nail to win, but I am very confident nonetheless that Palin isn't as much of a plus for McCain as he'd like to think.
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:38 PM
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70. Imagine the questions she'll get in the debate
How will she explain those very extreme views. I wouldn't put it past her to lie/flip-flop on some of the most extreme views.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:19 PM
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66. she had a choice and chose life.....well everyone should have a choice
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 10:21 PM
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67. Great post.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:23 PM
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71. The question just boils down to one thing, is America dumb enough
to elect a candidate as seriously impaired as Gov. Palin? If so, there's not a thing anyone can do about. We just thought we had hit bottom. Her election to the VP and then in eight years to President would show us what "low" really means.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:52 PM
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73. After Bush, I don't know what is and isn't possible anymore.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:00 AM
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74. At this point Gov. Palin most definitely is not a arch criminal.
However, if she is ambitious enough, she could be a quick learner. By 2012, she might be ready to take full control of the "crime sydicate" that now runs America.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:29 AM
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75. She would have the best teachers, after all.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-08 11:33 PM
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72. My experience today proves that people certainly are not employing reason nor logic to the Palin
thing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6840402&mesg_id=6840402

This angry guy was adamant that she was a-okay and could not comprehend why we did not agree with him (we through out the pro-life v. pro choice thing, we through out some talking points on her lack of experience in public service, foreign policy, etc.). His senses were clearly manipulated, and in his case, it had a lot to do with her looks. Now, how a person's looks has anything to do with qualifying them for VP, or potentially POTUS, is beyond me and should be beyond the average thinking human being. You would've thought he was advocating for a contestant in a beauty contest.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 12:31 AM
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76. Do you feel any need to rethink this concern yet?
:rofl:
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smoochpooch Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:45 AM
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78. More important than her lack of experience is her lack of experience on the campaign trail.
Obama, Biden and McCain have all been actively campaigning for more than a year. They know how to campaign, which issues to avoid, and how to handle media scrutiny. Palin has absolutely no experience in any of those areas. She is totally unprepared for a presidential campaign. After the convention, she will most likely not be made available to the press or any other situation where someone might ask tough (relevant) questions (I'm sure she'll give a FoxNews exclusive interview though and attend friendly rallies).

Unfortunately, she will most likely get a pass in the debate with Joe because her story is such that no one expects too much from her. I fear that McCain will keep her under wraps so as not to expose her deficiencies and we will not have any real opportunity to demonstrate that she has no business being in the same conversation as Obama/Biden, or McCain for that matter.

My suggestion is to wait a week or so after the convention and see if the polls are shifting in any meaningful way. If McCain/Palin actually is garnering support from women, Obama needs Hillary to actively campaign against Palin and explain that having a woman as VP doesn't mean anything if it's just a gimmick to trick voters. Hillary is the only person who can make that argument, and I'm not sure she's willing to do it withour a pretty kick ass appointment from Obama (Sec. of State if it's not already promised to someone else). This reply probably have been worded better, but you know what I mean.
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