Net Detectives & Net Doctors: LEAVE PALIN ALONE!!!

Don't bring up her daughter. To spend your time on this sensationalism, it's changed the direction of this board into a trash fest and ignored the major issues that we should be looking at. Like the China/Iraq deal and what the games of the GOP has done to our people for oil. It's forgotten like MSM Obama's Speech on Thursday, August 28th 2008. Something that should live on in history. It's forgotten Obama's fight against the GOP instead for Palin Rumor Central.

MSM isn't touching this yet because it's a vicious net rumor similar to Obama's love child, similar to Obama is a Muslim, similar to Michelle's "whitey" tape, and similar to Larry Sinclair. Leave this shit alone.

Everyone here is like, "Oh if this comes out it will rock the American people and McCain could dig his own grave." Please, McCain already dug it and just her lack of qualifications. alone has done this.

However do you know what I have heard by people who are listening to the rumors..."If she did that she'd be seen as a GREAT Mother." "She went above and beyond as any great mother would to protect her child and grand child."

Do you see how they could twist that and appeal to all mother's in this damn country. Don't play this game and naturally assume because she lied the American people would be pissed off and upset. What happened to Edwards would never happen here because no one had an affair. It would maker her into a hero, and a protective hero that would run the risk of her career. They'd give her a damn second chance.

But you people automatically see a lie. It won't be sold like that by the MSM. If you were the MSM of course that's how it would be portrayed right?! But if you were MSM Gore would have been President and Kerry if not Gore. Further more Obama might be a hero and this crap about Palin being a fantastic person being pushed by MSM wouldn't be the case.

You know what though, it is the bloody case because YOU are not MSM. You have no power to massive network to mess and manipulate the vote. Sure some people may agree with you. But a mother put in her place may not see it that way and will feed on it and say---Not only did she do all that and deal with all of it. She has her oldest son going to war, and she was picked as Veep because of all her "amazing deeds" in Alaska----will put her on a golden pedestal of shit and prop her around.

What are you doing now?! Majority of you are feeding that network and adding to this crap.

Let's talk the issues as Obama is doing. Focus on McCain. Why? Currenly Palin is nothing more than a GOP, MSM, McCain camp, and Republican SMOKE SCREEN. It throws you off attacking the main source on the issues. If you stick with him, she'll go down because she can't defend him.

Leave the fluff alone and focus on the real issue at hand. Please, I implore you. She is not the focus right now. She should be an aside until the debates between her and Biden---and we help passing on new information in the mean time.

Don't stress this baby shit. Focus on the policies if you need too and when you see something seriously juicey and NOT A RUMOR don't sit your ass on it or send it here first. Send it over to Huffpost, DailyKos, Any favorite blogger who's progressive, Keith Olberman, and last but not least the Obama camp.


That's what is important. We pass on to the media we trust and who can get the word out and maybe garner some researchers. Send majority to the Obama camp and they'll definitely take it from there. Don't bog yourself with trashy Enquirer crap. Sure they did it to Edwards , but we don't knwo if this is true or now and you're risking ruining a young girls life and smearing her unnecessary mother worthlessly. And if it is true, you'll stilll look like the bad guy because she'll be turned into an American hero.

Enjoy the status and spectacle...don't complain when this bites our candidate on the ass.

What's the problem? Can't you guys debate actual issues?

Without you and the concern police, discussion may actually start. So keep up the good work and stomp out concern wherever it may rear its ugly head.

Getting to be a nauseating knee jerk reaction that substitutes for argument around here.

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I recall an identical lecture on not responding to the lowlife Swiftboaters 4 years ago. "Don't lower yourselves" was the meme IIRC...was that you?

first i was in surprise at all you telling others what to do. then a tad angry. then last night just fuckin laughing my ass off at all you people dictating to us what we are suppose to do

today

a simple

NO

topic that is full of circumstantial evidence.

records yet and we should see Sarah's including all the reports related to her recent pregnancy.]How do we know she doesn't have HPV which is associated with risk for cervical cancer, for example?

In the interest of fairness, Joe Biden should release all his medical records and loudly call for McCain and Palin to release theirs.

In addition, since McCain can't remember how many houses he has, what car he drives, whether Czechoslovakia exists anymore or what the borders of Iraq are, Democrats should insist on a full neurologic exam because these could be signs of incipient Alzheimers'. This is a 72 year old man with recurrent melanoma, arthritis and who has outlived both his father and grandfather. His mother is still alive in her 90's but women outlive men in general.

Democrats MUST demand the release of medical records from both McCain and Palin. This may also help to resolve the issue of whether Trig is Palin's child or grandchild.

running our country ? in our name ? I agree that we need to keep it in that sense and not get carried away and seem armature, but we have to be watchful of who is in charge of our nation, if we can find out...that is. Mrs. Moose

If the Obama campaign were making an issue of it, you'd have a point. But they aren't, and you don't.

I thought we were working to help it. Instead all I see is more of the same. Every other hour maybe 15 minutes someone is like....Palin's baby is her grand baby?!

How can this benefit us. It could very well work against us because it's someone's private life we're encroaching on and I'm sure it will work this way. It's similar to the same stuff done to Obama.

When it was done to Obama here, many people were putting others on ignore. Other's were automatically alerting mods to beware of the posts because they were filled with "circumstantial" evidence or straight inuendo. Yet, we do it to the other party and it's considered the "right thing" to do it here?!

Let's not play the game.

Is that good enough for you?

There are enough loose ends for us to justify pursuing this question; her own staffers couldn't believe she was pregnant, the daughter was in hiding, the last-second flight back from Texas and the fact that she would fall off of her fundy moral high horse if word got out her little teengirl was preggers.

Let it play out, because it's going to anyway. As long as it's the stuff of gossip and Obama doesn't go near it (which of course he won't) there's nothing to worry about.

Yes the fraud issue plays a factor. But I stated this in my post earlier. There are plenty of women who would see her as a woman who was willing to go as far as to sacrifice her career to protect her children. You don't mess with a "mother's love" angle.

The MSM is already our enemy and after lambasting her for a short time, would milk that like you would never believe. That would be everywhere they would make a tv movie about it before the Election even started.


And who would lose?! Obama.

This my point. It's a dangerous angle when her professional and public life has enough to tear her down. This is my point. She doesn't have the education, the Repubs have turned the seat of the Veep into a joke. She doesn't have the qualifications, 3 years and the PTA Pres don't count. She doesn't know what a Veep does and goes as far as to ask it and we want to put her in charge. She has zero foreign policy experience. She's in the midst of an ethics trial. She wants to kill Polar Bears, she left her Mayor'd city of Wasilia in $20 million dollar debt. Her husband works for a foreign oil company---BP.

What more do you need to take her down?! This crap about her kid---is not necessary.

Or "DU Nannies".

I agree - i say this is the PERFECT place to discuss this.

I'm saying leave the innuendo and private lives alone.

Showed it was diagnosed. This was used to demonstrate her commitment to HER PUBLIC Pro Life Stance.

Despite the weirdness of it, there is no real proof saying otherwise and this is why there's no point in going there. Until this becomes official, there's nothing and even so, do we want to play the "mother's love" martyr game with her? Yes there is a lie, but Americans are easy to forget and forgive---look at Jesse Jackson everywhere. I can assure you messing with that angle will result in us losing.

This issue is directly related to that circumstance.

GLOVES OFF, anything that takes her out takes her out.

You misunderstand.
i don't mind if you take your gloves off and fight dirty
AT ALL

i just don't think you're seeing what will happen next.

Everybody understands fraud. Sure they'll spin it, but it's still fraud. Madame Curie this lady is not, and there's nothing to be gained from pretending she is.

I think this should be passed onto the National Enquirer and be done with it. It just doesn't belong here.

The commmercial media are now neocon megaphones, and if they weren't before that tabloid in Florida got anthraxed, they sure as hell are now. They will not investigate this story.

And yes, we know... it is all innuendo and speculation.

Let's go through it briefly, by the numbers


#1) The 15-16 year old daughter is out of school for 5 months with Infectious mononucleosis. This disease normally only lasts 1-2 months. Although it is possible to last longer than 4 months it is extremely rare in someone who is otherwise healthy. So although possible, it is extremely unlikely that she had mono for 5 months.

#2) This 5 month period of isolation for the daughter happened at exactly the same time that the baby was being carried to term

#3) Photos and video of Sarah Palin where she does not appear to be pregnant, when she should be showing.

#4) The implausible airplane ride from Texas to Alaska while in labor



Again, all innuendo and speculation. Still very interesting.

This my point. It's been debunked so many times it's not funny.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6842975

she would have had to have the gestation time of a pachyderm.

bus and the father seeming to not care for his own son. And parading the infant throughout the campaign like it was a doll.

That's just how they justify being assholes. They know this speculation is wrong and tawdry; they just don't want to be told it is. I'm disgusted with DU at the moment, but then I see a post like yours and I know there are still some sane people here.

I've been FUCKED in two straight elections by repuke bullshit. I'm not giving this fucking dipshit governor one inch of slack, and I'm not giving McCain one fucking inch for having the monumentally abysmal decision-making skills for selecting her.

IF (huge IF) the story were true it would be about beauty queen (runner-up) being a liar and committing insurance fraud to cover up the bad publicity.

Fuck you for framing that as me attacking a "teenage girl and an infant."

You're a magician.

YOU take the high-road about it and lose another election. I'm sure McLame/Palin's choice of Supreme Court replacements won't hurt us THAT bad.

I, on the other hand, will go on the attack.

If this speculation turns out to have any basis in fact, it will backfire big time -- not on Palin, but on us. It's a land mine. Ditto if it turns out to be false. There's no win here for us.

Sorry. We're at an impasse. I wish you the best.

FWIW, I know we can agree on one thing...OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!!!!!!

lets examine the logic here
Historically playing nice doesn't win elections
Playing dirty wins election
Therefore, a good strategy is to play dirty at every opportunity, even when it could backfire and have the opposite effect! That is how to win, right?
Its so simple! :sarcasm:

No wonder its so easy for the GOP to get you to step in a bear trap.

matter of life and death. It's not even a matter of a head cold. Stop reading the Palin threads if you object.

I've even seen posts paraphrased on MSM. So to you it's not a matter of life and death but it is reflected in MSM and they play that game with us.

I was sucked into the drama, not participating but sucked into it. All I could see is a slew of circumstantial evidence, false dated pictures posted all over the place, and innuendos with more lies.

There are no facts, there is nothing. If they want to feed it, send it to the NE but leave it off of DU.

I'm seeing this more and more as a smoke screen by the Republican party to keep us off the prize. Palin already has a multitude of functions: stealing and manipulating the vote of the American people, she's meant to supposedly provide the "buzz" for the Republican party, and also on an aside by the MSM and other Republican party members---> she's a pretty face to prance around. Her gender and face is used to fuck us all over.

Nowe we have DU turning into a play ground to make her into a martyr. No matter how this plays out the more we stress it; the more this becomes big news and if it's false we ruin the lives of a young girl and harm that of her mother. Turning her into a victim. If it's true, she takes up the position of the moral high ground of a mother sacrificing all she can, and risking her career, for the sake of her teenage daughter and special needs grand son.

This doesn't look good on the Democrats and we've just had another election stolen no less than a ploy toy.

Something to get attention, and take attention away from mcsames and his flailing "campaign."

As a woman I don't want people messing with my life. That's why I support Dems to protect my rights and allow me to make my own decisions, correct?! Yet, however we've invaded a personal life of someone with no warrant or need. It's based on lies.

Much like so many people were upset over the lies directed towards Obama and those threads were locked. Why? They should be just as welcome because it directly affects who we put into the seat. I'm not saying I support those idiots.

However, we didn't pander, solicit, and promote lies and innuendos. It was not tolerated and yet here we are doing the same thing which can work fantastically against us. You chose not to see that, and there's nothing to do about that. Enjoy the life.


You see as censorship something I see as change of direction. If you must focus on Palin get her education, her public life, how destructive and evil she was in Wasilia, her ethics violations. Those should be issues we should look into. But this?! I don't think so, especially with no proof.

threads about things you want to discuss instead of trying to make other people stop discussions.

The 2nd highest office in the land, no less. With stakes like those, her past, present and future public and private lives are all fair game...just as they are for any other candidate.

Without evidence, the M$M isn't about to whisper a word of it. Not only is it not in their talking points, I'm sure the spectre of a multi-million dollar defamation lawsuit will stave off temptation.

So relax. The attempts at censorship around here are growing pretty tiresome.

and if the story is true that Palin kept her daughter's pregnancy a secret, this goes to a core issue involving reproductive choice. Mind you, this Palin woman wants to deny all women the right to choose whether to carry a pregnancy to term, even in cases of rape or incest.

If it's true, we'll deal with that bridge when we come to it. But playing this game and flooding this site with it is unnecessary.

I don't feel comfortable with the thought of a person who would feel the need to spin such a tall tale (if true) rather than being honest. And if this is what her religion or status as gov causes her to do...what would she do if she's in a position of being a tumor or heart attack away from running this country?

This is only one more thing in a long list of reasons why Palin is a terrible choice. Everyone needs to be made aware of ALL the reasons why this person is not fit to be next in line to the presidency.


I don't think we need another incompetent liar in the WH.

her judgement is poor if it this is true and definitely something to discuss, even if I'd stay away from it since it's her right and her body. But when one takes the moral high ground of pro-life she just risked her own and the child by playing that game---unless there was an OBGYN or midwife or something with her. That actually cannot be down played or looked as her being martyr because she took a major risk.

However my concern is with the angle of attacking her (if it proves to be true or not true) and her daughter about this kid. So if it's not her kid, we're attacking her for protecting her teenage daughter and risking her career. People will commend that. If it's not true, we're ruining the lives of her daughter and basically her with this crap speculation.

On that platform alone we're losing. This is what I want these people to realize. This is not about her judgement in taking the plain from Texas to Alaska, which was ridiculously dangerous, but I'm speaking about the above.

Which I clearly stated.

Not trying to sabotage this thread, but here in black and white is where she SUPPORTED the bridge to nowhere.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6846273

this on the next Countdown.

Mainly stressing how dangerous the tightrope is we're walking by focusing on such a silly and unproved topic.

If that's hard to get, I don't know what else to say. I'm not about ready to see Obama lose the election and by us playing this game we're focusing on silliness which was similar to the things directed at Obama that we did not tolerate on this board; plus we're forgetting the enemy that is McCain and the Republican party. She's really turned into nothing more than window dressing. There is plenty of dirt on this woman from a professional and public platform, we don't need this kind of unsubstantiated crap to make our case.

I don't know why you would think we do.

all wrong on "family values". She was Selected because she is a woman, a working mom and for those "family values". If she was pregnant and flew home from Texas after her water broke, with a high risk pregnancy, and with the child not full term, doesn't that show an incredible lack of judgment? Heck, my doctor broke my water in my last pregnancy to hasten labor.

If to the other extreme, and she was actually the Grandmother of Trig, it only goes to show that teaching your children abstinence is crap and frankly unsafe.

This will not rest and I am sure there are ace reporters out there gathering information. Best case scenario from Palin, BAD JUDGMENT. Worst case scenario, covering up her child's pregnancy. Actually my bullshit alarm didn't go off until I heard of the "coincidence" of Palin's daughter having mono and being out of school at the exact same time of Palin's last trimester.

Now it turns out, in another thread, Bristol Palin, homebound with such a serious case of mono was driving a car and in an accident in front of a health clinic.

Once again, all of this rebuts some of the prime reasons why McCain picked her as his running mate.

We should start the vilest of smear campaigns against this crazy asshole woman; no stone should be left unturned, and nothing should be held sacred and left untouched.

We either win this election, or lose the United States of America, now and forever.

I chose the country over decency, or doing the right thing. Is it wrong to insinuate (perhaps correctly and truthfully) that this woman is pretending that her daughter's child is her own?

Fuck no.

Sorry about your luck, but the fucking gloves are fucking off.

Back to your regularly scheduled day now.

It doesn't have to be true. It just has to sound plausible. The Republicans have succeeded in planting all sorts of completely unfounded rumors and outright fictions in the corporate media's tinny little ear-holes, and some of those rumors (all Gore claimed he invented the internet, Kerry was a fraud, Obama's a Muslim) have turned into just-outside-the-mainstream narratives accepted by millions of voters. It's not incumbent on Democrats to play by a different set of rules than Republicans. Anyone who claims otherwise is either hopelessly naive or does not have the best interests of the Democratic party at heart. There's nothing wrong with down and dirty hardball politics, and personal smears have been part of the game since the Lee Atwater and the Willie Horton ad. Game on, tally-ho, and may the best sucker-punchers win. That's American politics in 2008; we didn't invent the game, but if we refuse to play by the current rules, we lose. And lose. And lose. To the extent that presidential politics is about character (and to a large extent, it is), then attacks on character aren't just fair, they're necessary. Is Palin lying about her teenage daughter's pregnancy? Nothing wrong with asking--if she's not, let her set the record straight. If she is, it's a major story.

this child is based on nothing more than rumor and innuendo. There are no facts to support the allegation and this whole episode is little more than an excuse for people to take an internet rumor and spread it all over the place.

Most of us have deplored such tactics by the RW, yet I see many threads and posts about this situation that toss us right into the bin we say we despise.

If there is evidence, it should be produced, since there is none, (at least at this point), this "issue" should be put aside.

There are hundreds of things we can discuss about the McCain-Palin ticket that will bring them down, what this "issue" will do, most likely, is garner her some sympathy, and make D's that have taken this thing for a ride look like loons.

Hammer home the real issues, her inexperience, McCain's terrible pick for any of 20 reasons, McCain himself being a jughead and out of touch. Things like this rumor will do nothing to win an election, there is nothing there.

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keep us busy indefinitely. And every day there seems to be more.

And I believe Obama/Biden won't touch any of this rumor and innuendo. They're not that stupid.

I'm sure they are gathering as fast as they can her statements on various issues.

can only make matters worse, right across the board. It's not a secret, still less a close secret.

Don't "misunderestimate" the Democrats' own trash-talking noise-machine. It's the anti-Neocon noise that counts, not the dialectic. When you have the MSM to do it for you, that will be another matter.

The Republicans have always want to make it about personalities. Now, all of a sudden, they find themselves fighting on both fronts, and they don't like it one bit.

If we're going to use this, then perhaps it would be best to frame it in a manner that would be most beneficial to us. As a retired RN with a good deal of OB/GYN and PEDS experience, I would go after her JUDGMENT, not whether or not she is the mother/grandmother of the child. If we take her at her word, that she is the mother, then she has shown a COLOSSAL lack of good judgment, bordering on child endangerment. No woman (let alone one with a high risk pregnancy), should have gotten on a plane and flown from Texas to Alaska with leaking membranes, especially since the baby wasn't due for another month! So, what we have here is a disaster waiting to happen. The baby is already high risk due to Downs Syndrome, her membranes are either (a)leaking or (b) her "water had broken", depending on which version we are to believe. The baby is only approximately 8mo gestation (ie, preemie). According to the "official" story, she not only stays in Texas to deliver her speech (obviously sooooooooo much more important that the life of the child), but she then proceeds to embark on a long plane trip so she can deliver in Alaska. The potential for harm to the baby was mind boggling! And this it the person McCain wants us to believe is ready to step into the presidency in a heartbeat! Unbelievable!

How many weeks did we watch the Rev. Wright tape around the clock? I don't care if it's a rumor the woman has purple spots on her back and a history of typhoid fever. MSM is already starting their love fest with the "maverick" and his "soulmate." This is our country at stake. Gore and Kerry both took the high road and what happened? I'm tired of Democrats making nice and being afraid to step on toes. If the Palin story is true it's easy to debunk any rumor. And, if it is true, it screams very bad judgement.