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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:18 PM
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Okay, its Sarah's baby, let's "give" her that because then its more damning.
I think that if anyone wants to use the pregnancy against Palin, we need to accept that it is hers unless and until we can prove otherwise. Less focus on the facts that we do have proof of. . . her behavior from water breaking to delivery. Am I the only one who sees how damning that behavior is? It means she is incapable of making decisions about the welfare of anyone. Even it is was her baby, the evidence supports stupidity, carelessness, self-absorb-sion, inability to recognize to obvious responses for the security of her baby (but we're going to trust her with the nation, the world?). Her actions are either the actions of a complete moron (given her age and experience) or she was hiding something. There are no other choices. Let's give her her choice, and wring her neck with it.

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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:29 PM
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1. Yep
I just can't help thinking about her water squishing out of her on the plane with every adjustment in her seat. The obvious wet spot she left on her ass on every place sat from the moment of breakage.

BTW, I would really like to know her labor history.... At her 5th it should have been her quickest delivery...

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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:39 PM
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3. Plus I remember Down's Syndrome babies can have
life-threatening complications at birth, like heart defects. And like I said in another post, by my fourth delivery, it took an hour and a half to start the induction of my labor and deliver my nine pound son and get back in my room. That doesn't happen every time, but there is a possibility that it can after you have multiple births. Plus over 36 yo, a woman is considered high-risk for complications.

That story is BS. They think people are so stupid that they aren't going to question it-that makes me furious. No doctor would have approved this eight hour flight, for malpractice reasons if nothing else.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:46 PM
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10. Exactly, make her face the facts as if she were the one pregnant. . .
which say she is a monster;

then watch her admit its her daughter's baby pretty quick.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:16 PM
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21. I think you're blinded....you are not making any sense. None that helps
politically, anyway.

Who cares how she behaved pre-delivery? No one, that's who. The baby was born as a "normal" Down's Syndrome baby, so whatever Palin did must've, by definition, been okay. Not that it's any of my business.

If she's not the mother...where's your proof? When talking about parentage of a child, the uppermost concern of yours is the child, right? Of course it is.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:32 PM
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29. So you thinks it okay that she make careless, risky choices for her baby, and you don't think that's
an issue regarding her ability to judge a situation and take approriate actions. If she can't choose better than that for her child, how can we trust her with a nation?
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 02:34 PM
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2. You nailed it! n/t
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:34 PM
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4. i haven't heard the whole story about that flight/birth. link? eom
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:39 PM
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6. I was just reading all the links on DU. They all say she
was at the convention, completed her speech, boarded a plane for an 8+ hour flight to Alaska, then drove another 45 minutes to the hospital after her water broke. I'm sorry when I google, I get a bunch of posts from here, so I'm sure you'll find one.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:19 PM
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25. From her bio on WIKI
After her water broke, on the day of Trig's delivery, Palin delivered a keynote address in Texas and then flew 8 hours to Alaska.<111> Palin returned to office quickly, just three days after delivering Trig.<26><112> The baby has Down syndrome; Palin's decision to have the baby was applauded by the pro-life community.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:37 PM
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5. no one is going to "use" it against her. it will go out to mass media and they will talk
about it. hopefully dissect it. leaving a bad taste for the voters. more of the same of the arrogance in getting away with everything and no repercussions

maybe it will delve into her strict fundament dominion religion and what it does in family, choices made

who knows. but there is opportunity
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:42 PM
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8. That's too bad, they should "use" it against her. If she can't make the right decision for her baby
she shouldn't be in a position to make decisions for nation.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:47 PM
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11. we will have to wait and see what is exposed how the reaction is
but i can see carville sitting htere and they say something about being a good mom and him using it. something like that
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:07 PM
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17. No mother in her right mind would defer to anyone else in judging that Palin was careless and risky,
if she was indeed the one having the baby.

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:12 PM
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19. i thought we were going off the assumption the baby was not hers. if we are talking
the baby was hers and she took that flight when she knew she was leaking i think is more a world of hurt for her. that is totally disgusting. and i do not know a single mother that can eve grasp the idea this woman would go from 4 a.m. in the morning and put baby at risk exhausting her body (that is a huge deal for preg woman) flying into anchorage not going to hospital, but didnt she jump on a little plane to go to her small home town? that is important too....

as a woman that water broke and one child leakage, .... it is beyond what i can imagine

for me that is a much worse scenerio

the other i see her so selfish that she throws her own daughter under bus for the vp
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:16 PM
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20. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. If she was indeed the pregnant one, her choices are even more damn
damning than if it was her daughter's baby. Hit her with well recorded facts and use her claim to take her down.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:28 PM
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28. i hold the same position. just start with what we have. gregory opened it up saying
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 04:29 PM by seabeyond
it was neat. just use her words. what is so need at being totally irresponsible. and it is fact. it is in her printed words

yup

on edit: i am so sleepy. off the board i go. not even follow conversations well. sorry that was so hard for you
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:41 PM
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7. 12. How dare you say anything negative about a Mom of 5 and a POW?
For chrissakes show some friggin RESPECT will ya?





















:sarcasm:
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:43 PM
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9. If she can't make the right decision for her baby, how can she be trusted to do so for a nation?
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:21 PM
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27. A noun, a verb and a mom.. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:51 PM
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12. How does it show stupidity to have a baby? Explain, please. nt
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:57 PM
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13. It's her risky behavior that was stupid
Just like all risky behavior during pregnancy is considered stupid. If you witnessed a pregnant woman smoking or drinking, wouldn't you question her judgment?

Ignoring the fact that your amniotic fluid is leaking one month before the due date in a high risk pregnancy and then electing to go to an airport instead of a hospital means you're an idiot. For the sake of the baby, I hope Palin is lying.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:06 PM
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16. Ummmm....are you SERIOUS? You think it's political that she didn't follow what
you think should be good behavior patterns for a pregnant woman?

You're going up the WRONG alley on this one.

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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:09 PM
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18. It's beyond "good behavior patterns" to put her child at risk for so long, in so many ways!
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:18 PM
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24. oh please. If you act like an idiot, I'm gonna call you an idiot.
Palin was an idiot.

BTW, where did I say I thought her actions were political?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:20 PM
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26. Getting on a plane
when your water has broken, for an 11 hour flight, bypassing the Anchorage NICU, when you have a high-risk pregnancy and a fetus with known genetic defects, to go deliver in a rural hospital -- is nuts by any measure.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 03:58 PM
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14. High Five!!! EXACTLY. This puts her judgement on the radar and that can't be twisted! n/t
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:06 PM
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15. YES! YES! Please rec this up so we can attack her with HER FACTS.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:17 PM
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22. It is more damning if the baby is hers. Welcome to DU
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:18 PM
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23. That's how I see it
She's got a screw loose, no doubt about it.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:36 PM
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30. For someone who says she values life, she was very cavalier with her son's life
Not cool.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 04:38 PM
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31. Ohhh! That too. Hey a whole 'nother way to use Her supposed facts against her.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:10 PM
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32. No, the most damning would be if the coverup was politically motivated
(1) to avoid the negative publicity related to her daughter becoming pregnant, especially if Palin has advocated abstinence-only education; and/or,
(2) to boost her anti-abortion credentials, bringing a Down Syndrome baby to term, making her a hero in the movement.

Aside from the political aspects, I couldn't care whose baby it is.
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