Do you really think McCain will drop Palin?

I keep reading here and other places that she will be dropped from the ticket--but history shows this is disastrous. I remember how it effected the Democratic ticket in 1972....could he drop her and survive? And CAN he drop her after the convention?

I don't think McCain would have a snowball's chance of getting elected.

And I'm curious as to what rules govern replacing a nominee after the convention. Does anybody know?

thank goodness

she's the gift that keeps on giving

If you look at the splatters whirling off the MSM, they may be succeeding.

I can't believe it. This is a hugh "fuck you" to every thinking American.

I'm hoping it's in the high 60s . . .

I guess USA Today is already printing a story on her "bridge to nowhere" lie/flip-flop

this is during the convention


give it a week or so

So if that crap is untrue, we get hurt in the process. You know as well as I do, it doesn't take long to change "Dem operative" to "Obama camp" then we're really fucked and Obama turns into the bad guy.

and right now it looks like if he keeps her he is toast

Drop pants, yes

Well, the best they can in cleaning up everything.

is underqualified, tangled in small state office politics scandals, and totally inexperienced on the national scene. We need to build the pressure and keep it on. If we do so she may well cough up the golden gaffe. If McCain has to dump her, his campaign is toast. So that is a valid objective of Obama supporters ... but not the Obama campaign itself.

but I thought maybe somebody had some inside info.

Duh

He's EXACTLY like W in that regard.

Puppets.

He made his bed, now he has to lay in it.

Put the money down and roll dem bones without even looking at the spot you placed your bet on, that's what Johnny Mac did here.

... she will withdraw her name.

... but I am pretty certain. It depends on how they assess the damage: will it be worse if she stays with all of the negatives, or worse if they change horses mid-stream.

The biggest problem they have right now (among many) is that she is scheduled to be deposed within the next few weeks with respect to the investigation into an abuse of power charge against her. How's it going to look when the VP nominee is in the midst of such an investigation? That's not a story even the MSM can keep from the public.

I'm not a betting person, but I'd put money on her voluntarily withdrawing within the next few weeks. She will cite some "noble cause" for doing so - and be championed by the RW as a woman who "put country first".

... just strikes me as an enormous publicity stunt.

Think about it - the Dem Convention is a HUGE success, the choice of Biden is overwhelmingly well-received, the party emerges completely united, and Obama's acceptance speech rocks the world, to the point where even RWers are praising its impact.

Come Friday, McCain NEEDS to take the spotlight away from his opponent's success, and he can't go into his own convention without a VP pick for fear of looking indecisive.

So what's the best sure-fire way to get MSM attention, and get everyone talking about McCain instead of Obama? Announce a VP pick that is sure to get tongues wagging - pro or con at that point don't even matter; the fact is everyone's attention is drawn AWAY from the Dem ticket.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Palin was "in" on it. "Cause a stir now, drop out in a week or two after we have the MSM momentum back in our corner, and the publicity you'll garner for yourself WON'T exactly hurt your future career aspirations."

It all just smacks of a set-up to grab attention - and if Palin voluntarily withdraws, the GOP will still point to her nomination as demonstrating their "progressive" attitude by nominating a woman to high office. And they WILL trot that talking point out, you can count on it:

"It's too bad Ms Palin had to withdraw her name from the ticket due to (state altruistic reason here), but WE DID NOMINATE A WOMAN. It's not our fault it didn't work out."

If it is a publicity stunt, because there's no doubt it reaks of it. To do something like that is to turn the American people into pawns in a Monty Python skit. Already this Palin thing is backfiring. By doing something like that even if Palin was immensely popular it would basically hurt the GOP like nothing else. I'm sure the people would see through that as quickly as they saw through this.

Unless of course the GOP is grasping at straws and want to play sensationalism to keep the people confused and guessing and by that method they have a chance at stealing.

middle of an ongoing ethics investigation. That should be a deal-breaker, immediately, no ifs, ands or buts about it. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.

Even if they sincerely believed that she is innocent, and will be completely exonerated - is THAT a chance you wanna take, when your party's shot at the WH is at stake!!!

the fact that you are going to be DEPOSED right around the same time as the convention is just a big nope.

Back to shaking my head. I can't believe anyone would make bush look....not as dumb.

and will not withdraw. I think she actually feels she is qualified for the job, even though she isn't sure what the VP's job entails.

... or will be, as soon as she finds out what the job description is.

But if the GOP want her out, she'll withdraw - they won't give her any choice.

Besides, they'll promise her all kinds of support in her future political career - don't forget, she went from being Ms Nobody to being known due to all of this. Her future aspirations just got a whole lot rosier.

Totally.

But that won't happen for a little while yet. They're still testing the waters.

And Bingo was his name-o.

That way the the country knows we were onto them and her resignation was due to her being a fuck up and not because she is a good mom.

It seems as though the "maverick" has pleased the same interests Bush has in the past with his choice.

This was a major misstep.

Yes, they'll Buy, Cheat, or Steal a "win" if they can, but in this time of profound political re-alignment and Blue-shift, what they want the MOST is to know who their most reliable voters are.

Probably before the end of September.

they think he is, Jindahl can bring him back....

:rofl: :sarcasm:

The last time we hired an exorcist that wasn't a member we wound up with that ghoul Cheney....

:rofl: :spray:

Yay! Shoulda gone with Lieberman, McDouche!

That would not help us at all.

The laughter and horror Palin will elicit will make Romney's Mormonism acceptably to the Religious Right.

I think they want to lose...so we have to clean up their mess

with her family.

Just guessing, of course.

sw

I watched her speak on CSPAN today from Missouri and she appeared to be without the aid of notes or a teleprompter and she was nailing every McCain talking point like a pro without any stutters or missteps, like she'd written the talking points for the campaign a year ago.

We shouldn't underestimate her here.

McCain becomes a punch line if he forces her out. Palin becomes a punch line if she drops out.

The chance of either one is approaching zero yet we've got posts in here saying they would bet on it. Unbelievable. I'll just leave it at that. Anything I add would be accurate but unnecessary.

Palin indeed has been impressive so far. She's always effective and will only improve while on the stump day after day. Her opening speech as VP was nervous but that's understandable. Biden stumbled many times during his convention speech, in too much of a rush. It doesn't hurt Palin to be attractive and charismatic. That's built-in margin for error.

I'm going to feel bad for Sarah Palin in the long run. McCain is going to lose and a controversial VP pick is destined to take an unfair share of the blame. John Edwards is a great example. You still have posters on DU and elsewhere ignorantly ripping Edwards for failing to deliver North Carolina for Kerry. LOL. Disregard that North Carolina votes about 12% more red than the nation as a whole on the presidential level, while a VP favorite son in a state of that size is worth about 3-3.5 points. The Kerry camp realized it had no chance in North Carolina, with or without Edwards.

They would be twice as pissed at him then they were before Failin came around. It would be guaranteed suicide.

making the sow's ear that is Palin look like a silk purse.

I predict it will happen later today -- Monday, September 1 -- sometime after about 9 am Eastern

I would LOVE Caribou Barbie, the unvetted trainwreck to stay on that ticket. If he dumps her there would be a chance he'd actually choose someone qualified. Better she stays on -- and let the ticket implode until November.

he has lost a lot of capital on her and pissed off about a half dozen real possibles by stringing em along and dumping em
he is stuck with her

the Repugs say the changes in their convention are related to Hurricane Gustav, but it would not surprise me at all,if, in the scheme of things, a whole new veep pick would be presented. :shrug:

Not even a doubt in my mind.

And much as I have come to already really dislike her, she will be cast aside like a used (ahem, nevermind, not going there) like a use ... shoe (that's safe!), with her young daughter having sustained the most real damage.

SOP for the GOP, hope she can deal with it.

But then you know what? McCain will pick a male VP who will then, in comparison seem like the second coming, and word will get around that "see what happens when women get involved in politics?" and how everyone agrees that she needs to be home with her children (don't all women?!?!) and somehow this will all be poor Sarah's fault for trying to compete in a man's world.

Just watch.

Then there is big oil. What good is it if they don't win. They would have to think keeping Palin for a win would be the best odds if they keep her.

The only way they'd get the best odds of winning by keeping Palin is if they cheated. And we've seen the media blackouts while it's stolen beneath our noses one too many times. "Not this time!"

She's nuttier than a Snickers bar.

Dropping her will look worse than simply keeping her around for the entertainment.

Palin, with the line about the Founding Fathers and the Pledge of Allegiance, is going to be the gift that keeps on giving.

And we haven't even seen what presents Todd is going to give us.

She's like Katherine Harris without the dead possum - but a MOOSE.

Hell, I still wish Katherine Harris was running for something - anything. McCain should've picked her - she's MORE qualified and the evangeloons love her.

The right-wing base are the only element of the Repug base powerful enough to cause that sort of a change (think Harriet Meiers). They love Palin, and were probably McCain's primary consideration in choosing to put her on the ticket. As long as they are satisfied and, in fact, enthusiastic about the choice- which they seem to be- I don't see Palin going anywhere, as McCain wouldn't dare piss them off at this point.

(edit to correct typo)
the idiots over at FR love LOVE LOVE her....

They think she has "moxey" and is "spunky" - They think she has lots of experience - I've been over there and it's like a love fest....
They are acting all goofy over "the future face of the Republican Party." I think they are all having crazy, sick "naughty" dreams about her.....

about what happens to it, she couldn't even run the little town she was mayor of, they were ready to recall her.

now it seems he's too cranky and stubborn to admit a giant error in judgement. He'll keep her and put his fate in the hands of Diebold (or whatever they're called these days). I have never been more grateful my husband was born in Nova Scotia.

McLame has painted himself into a corner with this one. He's shown that his judgement is poor, impulsive and irresponsible. If he drops her now it just confirms his poor choice in the first place and makes him look even worse.

God, I love this!