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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:55 PM
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Is Sarah Palin Dominionist Pentecostal?
Edited on Sun Aug-31-08 11:05 PM by texastoast
Isn't she a Dominionist Pentecostal (where DOES that pente in pentecostal come from????)

So I've heard.

Rumor? Bullshit?

Am I behind the times and this is old news? Upbraid me appropriately if so. I've been cleaning the garage while the guys are gone and throwing away stuff without their knowing. Now, I'm all cleaned up and ready for an update.


ON UPDATE: OH LORDIE IF THIS IS TRUE. BELOW IS MY PENTECOSTAL EXPERIENCE.



Now I want all of you to know that I am familar with the Pentecostal church. I have a BUNCH of family who are active. When I was a tiny child (about 6 years told), I was taken to a Pentecostal Church in Seminole, Texas. The first thing that I noticed was, "HOLYMOLY, there's a FEMALE "preacher." My eyes got bigger as the "service" progressed.

To preface this story, I was raised in the Methodist church--the same church of which shrubito claimed to be a member when he took office. The same church of which our local bishop denounced the Iraq War. I was so PROUD of the Methodists here for doing that.

Methodists are mellow and some of the most walk-the-walk folks I've seen. If you don't walk the walk in the Methodist churches I've been to, they love you anyway. They will also give you ample opportunity to change your mind and walk that walk, through opportunities of service, money, car washes, whatever. Mellow folk. And, on the fun side, they are of the committted belief that not a soul is going to make it to Heaven without a covered dish. :evilgrin: Fuggeddaboudit. So just get out the best recipes, cook 'em, bring, 'em and socialize.

So as a little kid, I went to church with my MUCH older sister who had married into a Pentecostal family. My beautiful, athletic sis dressed in a long-sleeved, almost ankle-length dress. I was six so I didn't say much. But I so do remember this.

We filed into what seemed a typical small-town church with about 60 people in attendance. The common Protestant dual pulpit and altar was at the front of the sanctuary. The service initially was somewhat familiar with some Bible readings and songs. What do I know. I was six.

The female pastor took the pulpit and began to tell us all what sinners we were and on and on. She incited the congregation to start yelling about Jesus and what all. She pounded the altar and yelled and yelled, screaming for the holy spirit to come over us all. Congregationists started pounding their pews, screaming "Jesus! Jesus" People threw their arms in the air hollering, then fell prostrate in the floor, screaming and crying as that holy spirit came over them.

The preacher started speaking "in tongues"--but, wide-eyed, I couldn't understand a word of it, but it was supposed to be important and communicating with someone. I was pretty unintiated at that time so I wasn't sure who.

Needless to say, I couldn't wait to get away from there.

I was very afraid. Jesus would be PISSED!!!:mad:

What is the origin of the word Pentecost?

Pentecost is the English version of the name of a holy day of the Hebrew calendar. In Leviticus 23, God speaks through Moses of one of the days He commands the nation of Israel to observe annually as religious celebrations.

Lev 23:10-11

10 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest.

He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath…

(This was traditionally done during the Days of Unleavened Bread, a week-long festival connected to the Passover. Many Biblical commentators believe this ceremony to be a foreshadow of the resurrection of Jesus. It occurred on the "day after the Sabbath," that is, the Sunday after Passover.)

Lev. 23:15-17, 21

15 "'From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks.

16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the LORD.

From wherever you live, bring two loaves made of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour, baked with yeast, as a wave offering of firstfruits to the LORD …

21 On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.

Note that this annual observance is to occur on the fiftieth day after the sheaf was waved during the Days of Unleavened Bread. By the time of Jesus' ministry on earth, the Greek name for this feast was Pentecost, which means in Greek fiftieth . English has borrowed this same word to designate this particular religious observance.

more at link - http://www.isitso.org/guide/pentchar.html

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:57 PM
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1. I have read that she is but have no proof personally.
If she is she is more dangerous to our way of life than Bin Laden.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:57 PM
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2. She's Assemblies of God, the largest Pentecostal denomination
AG churches and teachings tend to be dominionist, and I haven't seen any statements or policy decisions from her that would suggest she disagrees with that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:00 PM
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10. Her Wasillia church is Church on the Rock
From what I've read, and they are dominionists as far as I know - and definitely nuts.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:58 PM
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3. It makes me feel all fuzzy and warm for Mormon
Mitt Romney. Eccentric, but not batshit crazy.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:58 PM
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6. Exactly my thoughts
The Mormons you can reason with.

Kind of.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:01 PM
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11. He's just ordinary greedy. He'd sell off what's left of the U.S. without
batting an eye.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:22 AM
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20. lol
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:58 PM
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4. Link 4U
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:07 PM
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12. Time for some flap about HER pastor
No way should the Obama folks let this one lie.

She comes from fundie nutter background. And I do mean nutter.

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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:58 PM
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5. Ha! Been there, done that! Thought I never would, till I married a
(wonderful) man who never throws anything away. Moved him twice, and the last time we had an entire 15' truck full of stuff he will never, ever use, nor realize is now gone. I thought I'd feel bad about doing this to anyone, but now I realize HE won't feel bad, why should I?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 09:57 AM
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23. Sometimes you just have to do it
My spouse has clothes from high school he wanted to keep. Oh my.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:59 PM
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7. True. Assemblies of God.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 10:59 PM
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8. Yes, Assemblies of God. So in effect her husband will actually be the veep.
She believes in creationism, doesn't know what a veep does, and thinks that "Under God" belongs in the Pledge of Allegiance, because, "If it was good enough for our founding fathers, it's good enough for me."

Welcome to the Age of Aquarius.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:00 PM
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9. The Clean House Award Show was on tonight. Very funny. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:14 PM
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13. Yes, she is. She probably doesn't want anybody to know about her
very dangerous religious propensities.

Dominionists are a grave danger to us all. They advocate a return to stonings, among other things.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:22 PM
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14. Everything you ever wanted to know about Dominionism, but were afraid to ask.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm

<snip>
Its most common form, Dominionism, represents one of the most extreme forms of Fundamentalist Christianity thought. Its followers, called Dominionists, are attempting to peacefully(?) convert the laws of United States so that they match those of the Hebrew Scriptures. They intend to achieve this by using the freedom of religion in the US to train a generation of children in private Christian religious schools. Later, their graduates will be charged with the responsibility of creating a new Bible-based political, religious and social order. One of the first tasks of this order will be to eliminate religious choice and freedom. Their eventual goal is to achieve the "Kingdom of God" in which much of the world is converted to Christianity. They feel that the power of God's word will bring about this conversion. No armed force or insurrection will be needed; in fact, they believe that there will be little opposition to their plan. People will willingly accept it. All that needs to be done is to properly explain it to them.

All religious organizations, congregations etc. other than strictly Fundamentalist Christianity would be suppressed. Nonconforming Evangelical, main line and liberal Christian religious institutions would no longer be allowed to hold services, organize, proselytize, etc. Society would revert to the laws and punishments of the Hebrew Scriptures. Any person who advocated or practiced other religious beliefs outside of their home would be tried for idolatry and executed. Blasphemy, adultery and homosexual behavior would be criminalized; those found guilty would also be executed. At that time that this essay was originally written, this was the only religious movement in North America of which we were aware which advocates genocide for followers of minority religions and non-conforming members of their own religion. Since then, we have learned of two conservative Christian pastors in Texas who have advocated the execution of all Wiccans. Ralph Reed, the executive director of the conservative public policy group the Christian Coalition has criticized Reconstructionism as "an authoritarian ideology that threatens the most basic civil liberties of a free and democratic society."
<snip>
Specific beliefs include
* A rejection of Antinomianism: the belief that salvation is obtained totally through faith and not through performing good works and living a moral life
* Presuppositionalism: the acceptance on faith that the Bible is true. They do not attempt to prove that God exists or that the Bible is true.
* Inerrancy: the belief that the Bible, as originally written, is totally free of error.
* Postmillennialism: the belief that Christ will not return to earth until much of the world has converted to Christianity. This will not take place for some considerable time; it will not be a painless transition. Most Fundamentalists and other Evangelists hold to a different view. They are Premillenialists and believe that all (or almost all) of the preconditions of Christ's return have been met. They expect Jesus' second coming to occur very soon.
* The 613 laws contained in the Hebrew Scriptures' Mosaic Code can be divided into two classes: moral and ceremonial. Christians are not required to follow the ceremonial laws, because Jesus has liberated them from that responsibility. However, all persons must follow those moral laws which were not specifically modified or cancelled by further revelation --generally in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament). In contrast:
* Non-reconstructionist Christians generally divide these laws into three classes: moral, civil and ceremonial law, and generally believe that most Old Testament laws are no longer binding on Christians.
* Jews generally believe that the Mosaic Code is binding only on Jews.
* The moral laws given by God to the ancient Israelites reflect of God's character, which is unchangeable. Most of the laws are intended for all nations, cultures, societies, religions and all eras, including the present time. However, there are a few laws, in such areas as personal safety and sanitation, which are no longer applicable because of changes in architecture and sewage disposal. These do not need to be obeyed.
* The primacy of the Hebrew Scriptures, relative to the Christian Scriptures (New Testament). All of the Hebrew Scriptures' non-ceremonial laws are still in force, unless they have been specifically rescinded or modified by verses in the Christian Scriptures. "Only if we find an explicit abandonment of an Old Testament law in the New Testament, because of the historic fulfillment of the Old Testament shadow, can we legitimately abandon a detail of the Mosaic law." 3 This is largely supported by their interpretation of Matthew 5:17:

"Do you think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." (NIV)

* Civil laws must be changed to match the Bible's moral rules. That is, anything that is immoral (by their standards) is also to be criminalized.
* The only valid legislation, social theory, spiritual beliefs, economic theory are those derived from the Bible
* In every aspect of life, there are only two options: God-centered or man-centered; Theonomy or autonomy. Their political goal is to ban the latter, everywhere. Each individual, family, church, government and society must be reconstructed to eliminate sin. Each Christian has the responsibility to contribute to this conversion.
* They oppose inter-faith, inter-racial, and same-sex marriages. R.J. Rushdoony wrote about opposition to:

"inter-religious, inter-racial, and inter-cultural marriages, in that they normally go against the very community which marriage is designed to establish." 4

Rushdoony's condemnation of inter-racial marriage appears to have been his own and unrelated to the biblical text. It was not shared by other Reconstructionists.

* Reconstructionists regard the Gods and Goddesses of all other religions to be "the devil," and their teachings to be false. They would attempt to replace all religions with their version of Christianity. For example, David Chilton wrote about Judaism:

"The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers--the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel." 5
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:13 AM
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16. Oh, Lordie
Just think if she could appoint SCOTUS justices.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 12:22 AM
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17. That is what makes me so sick to my stomach. Can you just imagine what she would put on the bench??
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-08 11:22 PM
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15. Talibornagains?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:03 AM
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18. Shes pro-contraception. Arent Dominionists against it?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:15 AM
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19. I don't know. what does her pastor say?
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 01:16 AM by texastoast
I'd like to know that. How long has she been going to that nutter church? What is her religious background as a child? I'm curous about all that stuff.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 01:52 AM
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21. Lot of different info on where they actually go to church
Edited on Mon Sep-01-08 01:54 AM by wlucinda
One source said that it was Church of the Rock and then I ran across something that said they changed to a non-denominational church.

I've seen nothing concrete. Her makeup and clothing lead me to believe that shes not a strict fundamentalist though...unless things have changed a lot since I was around them...

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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-01-08 02:03 AM
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22. I used to work with someone who was raised in a AOG church in Alaska
Very strict cultish atmosphere from her description. Screwed her up bigtime too. I know she was from a small town somewhere outside of Anchorage. Wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the same village and church that Palin came from.

Too bad I don't know to get in touch with this woman, or I could see if she's got any dirt on Tundra Barbie.
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