Comebacks needed for RW Christian bigots...

Just wondering if any of you have any good points that may make these people think when they start spouting their Christian lines about 'loving the gays but hating their sins' and the Bible's word about Sodom and Gomorrah? I was making Obama campaign calls this evening to undecided voters in rural Oregon and a "Christian" lady started spouting about gays and abortion according to her church. I thought it probably wasn't worth my breath, but can't stand just leaving people stewing in their ignorance. So many DUers are so smart and funny - any good responses in case I run into it again????

Also, she said that Obama hadn't answered the questions, but McCain did at Saddleback. What's she talking about??

Thanks!

Rebecca

"all sins are equal in the eyes of God" ususally shuts her up because everyone is a sinner, doesn't change her mind, but it shuts her up...

have told me the injunctions of Leviticus were an attempt to get Hebrew warriors to drop the practice of dominating their prisoners through forced sodomy.

Bush has re-introduced forced sodomy as part of his interrogation technique.

Nevermind....

Anal rape of Iraqi boys is OK but gay marriage isn't. Weird thought processes in operation there.

A Gay Centurion Comes Out To Jesus
For many centuries before Matthew and Luke wrote their Gospels, the Greek word pais was commonly used to refer to the younger partner in a same sex relationship. The younger partner was often an adult male but was sometimes a teenager.

The use of pais in this social and historical context leads some to believe that the story of the Roman centurion and his pais in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 tells the real story of the day Jesus met and blessed a gay man. Although this understanding of the text is controversial, it is important for us to discuss and understand it in our conversation about the Bible and homosexuality.

http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Centurion.html

someones desert dogma and you do not want to piss them off either.

You have to use their religion against them for the most part, the whole thing is amass of contradiction anyway. "Love thy neighbor" and hate the Gays, does not work.

You might want to get Obama's position on these things and make them very clear to those folks what those positions really are.

about the hypocrisy in saying "Love thy Neighbor... but hate those people over there"!

The only problem with knowing Obama's position (although I looked on the website and found nothing specific) is that he supports equal rights for all people, doesn't he? They don't. They are correct in their assumption that he disagrees with them and their interpretation of the Bible.

Thanks!
Rebecca

from the domionists - there are stories that will curl your hair. Mainstream to liberal pastors post there.

I don't want to get into a Bible-quoting battle with anyone, because I'll lose. The Centurion story is very interesting, but if I go there they will likely come back with something I know nothing about - having erased my childhood Sunday school lessons cleanly from my mind.

It's the arrogance of these people thinking they are worthy of judging others - not to mention their limited knowledge of Obama that really gets under my skin. I will keep checking your responses until I return to the lion's den tomorrow...Some of them already are keepers!

Thanks Everyone!
Rebecca

are these words

"As you do to the least of these so you do unto me"

Those are the words that I focus on and that's why I am for Obama. I think Jesus would be for Obama too.

You are so right, Frances! I think I'll make some notes about these responses before I go next time. It truly took me aback today...

Who would Jesus hate? Did the Lord not teach us to do unto others as we would have them do unto us? I believe the Lord told us to love each other and that judgment was for God.

Shuts them up every time.

One interpretation is that the crowd just wanted to get rid of Lot's guests because they hated strangers and putting out normal folks without shelter or food or resources in that area would mean death. The translation of the Canaanites wanting "to know" Lot's guests (the angels) only recently has had a sexual connotation put on it as the translation of the Hebrew word can mean get to know both platonically as well as not but more often the former. I kind of picture a group of guys outside Lot's house saying something like, "Hey, bring out your friends. We want to get to... know them." while they smacked one hand with a fist over and over again. The use of violence, including sexual oppression, to demean outsiders was a common act.

In fact, when Jesus mentions S&G, he refers to their great sin as being inhospitatlity not homosexuality.

TlalocW

:shrug: works for me

I hate having to use their own "book" of evidence to try and argue my points. Screw it, I reject their premise.

The Earth is eons old. If time is compressed theoretically into a one-year calendar, modern man doesn't appear until the last second of the last minute of the last day of the year. Jesus supposedly lived nano second ago. So, in the six billion year history of Earth, these people really think that there was one magical primate in the entire universe who was the product of the angry sky god raping and knocking up a mortal named Mary, and that this magical dude is going to come back any day now to save us from our "sins." If that's not the biggest steaming load I've ever heard, I don't know what is.

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

Thanks, Texas Toast - now that's what I needed after an evening of frustration!

Also, I"m so with you dotscom! But I want to go beyond my own total rejection of the premise... ;-}

And I love your explanation of the story Tialoc. I think that some of these folks are so brainwashed that an intelligent discussion in beyond hope unfortunately.

BTW -this is my first thread and I truly appreciate your response and insight!

Rebecca

it's left for a higher authority and she is breaking Gods law by being judgemental...Then say you'll pray for her soul...

Then leave, they are not worth upsetting yourself about, most of them are old and will die off eventually...

and congratulate them for living a life completely free of sin!
lol

sad that people are so quick to judge and shun people EVEN WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS NOT TO.
lol.
judging peoples sins/souls is up to God... doing it yourself is only ... well.. playing God!

There's a passage in the Bible that says that God hates the sin but loves the sinner.

You can remind people that (also in the Bible) it's said that all have sinned, and have fallen short of the glory of God.

It comes down to a pot & kettle thing, except for Jesus' exhortation, "By whatever measure ye judge, so shall ye be judged." ...not to mention that in the OT it is said, "Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord."

It seems that God is not keen on us judging others! (especially when we all have enough to work out in our own lives).

In Biblical terms, homosexuals -- heterosexuals, we're are all sinful -- needing the grace of God. But we get in far more serious trouble when we try & do God's job of judging.

..And the next time someone says that God loves gays even though he hates the sin of homosexuality -- ask that person how many gay friends he/she has...

Most people mean well, but somewhere along the road -- idealism often devolves into ideaology...

Thanks, Indi, for some straight talk to dish out to them!

The temptation to judge is very strong in all of us. My worst days -- dirctly related to my arrogance...

I wouldn't waste my time on magical thinkers. They really think Jesus is literally going to come back and suck 'em up into Heaven.

Not much really - he did not tell them to change the government and make new laws, he said to change the hearts and minds of people. Changing laws was never on the agenda in the NT, you could become a church member and live by it's rules, of you choose not to do so.

Be in the world,not of it.

America was an ideal place for all the different sects to come to because each wanted their own freedom, and as long as we keep freedom people can practice their religion - put one religion in charge and that will all go away.

Worry about yourself and your own sins.

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear prescription glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Heck... you can even flaunt the fact that Rove, the brains, is actually an atheist using them.

Trying to sell the Dems as the party of Jesus is not going to work. There is too much rhetoric tied up in their current mindset. But they are sick of getting left at the alter by the GOP. So keep driving that into their heads and they will stay home come election day.